Fuel tanks are some of the most OP things in the game (even more OP than spall liners).
They completely nullify any spalling, and only provides a chance of it exploding… but this isn’t even the case for external fuel tanks.
AMX-32 and Leopard 2K has the same annoying feature… same with LFP of T-Series MBTs, as well as the Leclerc (as you can see), Type 90, and Type 10. I could probably think of more vehicles with similar ‘survivability buff’ too.
Recently they gutted it’s gearbox. Not that it was any good to begin with, but now from a standstill it really struggles to get going.
We’re back at the point where the Type 16 is the undisputed best armoured car at 9.7 by sole virtue of not having Gaijin’s signature gearbox with 57 gears.
The 9.7 lineup of France is insulting. AMX-40 with the wrong thermals and missing lots of armor, Vextra without proper ammo and crappy mobility, and the Roland down to a measly 35 degrees of elevation
All of them are unrealistically nerfed, and for what? To sell some mediocre IFV and give it a very forced lineup?
Let’s be honest: it was honestly just German mains crying about being destroyed by the Vextra, so Gaijin nerfed it to hell to appease the Begleitpanzer and Wiesel spammers.
The fact that the amx-40 is more mobile than the vextra says enough
The Leclerc fuel tanks being hit detonates the Leclerc consistently. The video you are responding to does not demonstrate a fuel tank being hit. It is hitting the side panel ERA of the Leclerc AZUR, but this also was not the cause as this behaviour was present on most tanks at that point in time if they had sufficient voids in the crew compartment, as Leclerc does.
Dear Leclerc/French players, there is no punchline, Leclerc’s hull armor is just sad. Atp I’m 99.9% positive it has only got the level of KE protection that it does just to appease ya all. With this LoS thickness, I am more than positive the British documents are currently the most accurate estimates of the tank’s protection (and as such, it should be nerfed whenever possible) - because you are not getting ~550mm RHAe out of 580mm of space, not even with 2020s composites, much less with 1990s.
Good thing people are taking issue with the turret armour than the hull armour.
The sky will fall before the British, or yank but yanks rarely have the capacity to put together half coherent snark, actually read what they push in to be snarky about. This is, of course, assuming your resources correct.
Right, and?
I’m talking about how the hull armor is, I have not talked about the performance of the turret (which is a more complicated matter due to how the turret is built, and protection levels are not as uniform as they are for pretty much every other MBT), i’d rather you don’t act like a smartass and goalpost this.
edit: this 3D model is from KNDS own website, btw…
Would be awesome if the hull was the only problem. Would be a start if you wouldnt get one shot through the giant gunner or commander sight that sits on top of the turret. (no idea how that works actually but the snail can make the magic work) or the biggest breech weakspot of all mbts (i believe). or crippled by basically any tank of br 3.0 and above through the lower glacis. And…
But whatever I think theres no point in believing the snail has any intention in changing this since only more experienced players have the frustration tolerance to keep playing it so it has good stats and doesn’t need any better shells or improvement so each game you’re basically
Sitting behind each corner available praying the whole enemy team is completely deaf and oblivious pushing past you without knowing where you are. Then you have to send a prayer to RNGesus to not make your darts disappear into the flat side era of a t80 bvm or a t90m or just take out its driver when youre shooting its lower glacis making him stop right in front of your 16 million euro paper mache tank and you should be fine.
God beware you have to aggressively push with decent enemies to save a match because you will die if anything looks at you funny.
“Assuming your resources correct” I am not contending your resources, in spite of the fact that there’s multiple ways to contend it with some credibility.
Not really goalposting when you’re implying folk are bitching about the hull armour, when just about everyone is acknowledging that Leclerc’s hull armour wasn’t the focus of the protection schema.
I’m not addressing what the player complaints are, nor am I implying shit. I am simply stating the hull armor is for a fact the saddest thing I have seen since the Challenger 2s hull armor cavity. You’re trying your absolute hardest to put this in my mouth lmao, get over yourself.
in spite of the fact that there’s multiple ways to contend it with some credibility.
Not many, and unless they are themselves are official 3D models of the vehicle from the producer, showing off each plate, none at all ;P
Yeah the famous source is a video game… Hard to believe it’s only them noticing that.
https://x.com/ArmoredWar/status/1907759485080449109
They only measured it.
Feel free to check out the model yourself ;)
The issue is, when you say something is done to “appease you all”, that is by virtue of the function of the English language making the provision that this improvement was heavily pushed for by the people you’re engaging with. I don’t have to put words in your mouth, when you up and said them. Either your grasp of the language is substandard, or you made the provision that people were pushing for it. It is similar to saying “Chally 2’s strike face is only the rating it is to appease you all” to a chally thread.
Don’t overly care to put words in your mouth, pommies struggle with getting words out enough of the time for me to make it any harder would be cruel.
I’m sure there’s never been a time where French kit has been represented in a substandard manner in marketing tools prior to being requested the explicit information by an interested export customer. It can be contested, but I also don’t care to, as I’m not of the mind the hull armour was ever particularly the problem.
Funnily enough, just like the majority in this thread.
The model comes directly from KNDS, specifically Leclerc.glb. While there is also a model of the Leopard, it is not useful. If you look at both models closely, there are clear signs of intentional destruction of certain components.
Even primary docs from GIAT give in inaccurate* size estimation. The proportion are never correct (we tried to check them a while ago). I have not checked the 3D model itself, but I’ll still take it with a grain of salt.
The main thing missing about the Leclerc are actual plan with dimensions, which we don’t have
It means exactly what it means, to appease the French playerbase, and give them less things to complain about, cus y’all love doing that (they’ve done the same with the Americans in case your memory only goes back about 10 minutes into the past). You have no grasp on the history of how whiny the French core playerbase is, and I presume your tenure began only with the new forum, yet you’re assuming the moral highground and talking down to me about my own ability to use my teritary language.
Frankly? You’re a prime example of why I said “appease y’all”. You almost instantly defaulted to insulting my language ability, huge.
This is probably my first time commenting on this thread. Why would these models be accurate? Either for Leclerc/Leo or both. I cannot imagine any reasons why a website designer would have the full schematics to the tank.
They might not be, but the degree to which they’re beliveable is much greater than for many “fan-made” models.
A lot of which assume a much larger armor cavity, to accomodate the “armor value” we’ve got in the game, rather than basing their findings on what’s possible with X decade’s armor technology.
The Leo 2A7HUN/+ model is pretty much entirely empty, fyi. We looked through it the same way we did with the Leclerc XLR model.
