The last PZ IV, with sloped armor (paper panzer)

Not really, cause the other 2 you’re thinking of were debunked as not real.
For the R2Y2, not referring to the R2Y1.

the R2Y2s got removed back in april iirc and the Ho Ri would be removed if a suitable replacement is found

Yes, BUT…

The Ho-Ris we have aren’t the Ho-Ri that was partially built. Fortunately it is pretty similar to the Prototype with the frontal hull armor being the only big downgrade.

+what Imaflyingturkey said, they’ll very likely be removed soonTM.

In what way is that similar? Its a stepped hull with center fighting compartment. Like i sayed above this isnt what is in game.

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The engine is the same, the armor layout is the same apart from the front hull. Casemate is about the same. Gun is the same. From a gameplay perspective it’s 90% of the way there.

But these text changes and optical changes make it pretty much a different vehicle. The hull front will me a shot magnet, it cant be angled, the casemate has a big weakpoint roof and all sit closer together.
Gameplay perspective it will be far weaker.

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It already can’t really be angled, since the hull corners are 65mm. Not that the casemate is much better because it’s 120/150mm flat. Transmission cover is 75mm flat. It’s already a shot magnet even if you don’t know the armor layout.

The only reason the Prototype is (overtiered) at 6.7 is because of the gun and that won’t change, if anything it might get stronger if the bug report on the assisted loader goes through.

Maybe it can be changed a bit with some more “Historically accurate documents”

Sounds interesting, do you mind pointing me to the source mentioning the running gear?

No more paper tanks. Just make existing later panzer IV models rank III again and they would be fine.

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Dont know the source, there are however photos of the runnung gear, tho on a GW III/IV and as such, the suggestion didnt work out.

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+1

Did you ever ask why the suggestion wasn’t possible? I assume it’s because the exact produced components weren’t being used for prototype construction, but then, how did something like the Type 10 with APS get accepted and even passed?

I understand that it’s undoubtedly not the same thing as a prototype-in-progress, but it’s also a sort of middle ground between partial and paper, and there are a lot more vehicles that could be possible if it was permitted.

That’s a Swiss G13 Rather than a “Hetzer”.

Because of the Geschützwagen. Making it non unique.

Well, that’s certainly debatable. I’ll have to ask about that, because it seems weird that purpose-designed components count as a partial prototype, but once they are installed for trial purposes on a different vehicle they suddenly lose that status.

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If its about a new panzer IV version…this chassis hat some modification which were still not ingame, but aren’t entirely paper. Like this 105mm (I think) howitzer version. So, stick with these. Better no new paper vehicles.

Why not just ask for the very real Panther-Panzer IV hybrid (often referred to as Panzer V/IV)

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Because the turret was only bolt on and couldn’t turn

And the Maus turret would cave the E-100 hull in.

Just suggest it and see how far you get.