The last PZ IV, with sloped armor (paper panzer)

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Hello everybody!
I know that many do not like to talk about tank projects that did not materialize.
But I personally find it very interesting what the development of the Pz IV could have become.

In December of 1942, Krupp was ordered to redesign future Ausf H model to have sloped front and side armor. The project was cancelled in February of 1943 due to increase in weight to 28tons that required additional modifications and instead Ausf H based on original hull was to be produced

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At first the idea was to have 60mm armor on the hull and maintain the same turret.
But later it was studied replacing the tower with a stronger one.

Pz.Kpfw. IV Vereinfachter turm projekt W 1466
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This project was never completed, but it plants, were found by the Allies after the war.
I think that would be a great addition to the 4.7~5.0

My best regards

PS: If anyone wants to use this information to make a suggestion, feel free.

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Why is this in the machine of war discussion and not vehicle suggestion?

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Because I’m tired of spending hours editing a topic and that topic not being accepted by the moderators.
So I’m just going to put it here, so that if anyone is interested, they can use this to make a suggestion.

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It’s a paper design of course they are not gonna approve it. That’s the thing they typically only approve designs that exist.

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I made several suggestions for tanks that were actually manufactured, but they still did not approve my suggestions.

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You made several posts that are not in the suggestion tab since they likely lack needed information.

Weight problems werent the only problem, but also the war situation. Losses needed to be replaced and they could choose. 1. Stop production, retool for the new designe or 2. Continue as is with 80mm hull to fill the gaps.
They choose the economical solution.

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sloped armour Pz.IV isn’t real it can’t hurt you

sloped armour Pz.IV

It’s paper, so no.

If it has built unique parts, then it could be suggested as an unfinished prototype, that’s your best chance. If it doesn’t have any unique stuff, then yea it won’t be accepted.

You’re better off just adding this
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Panzer III: that had improvised armor protection welded to it.

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Same turret, it’s a modified Panzer II Turret with a 37mm cannon.

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Ohoooo, i know what im gonna suggest after coming back from holidays.

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Thank you for finding the gem.

I marked the points for the identification on the picture below fitting to the text below:

This is a Pz III Ausf.J with the 20mm HHA Vorpanzer on the Turret and Hull (Tho with less stand off on the hull, to be in line with the side armor aparently), visible with the Fahrersehklappe 50, with a cutout above for the Periscope Peep holes. And the Mushroom Cooling Covers. For the turret visible, by the small amout of gunmantled visible in which the Recoil Cylinders are inside.
The Triangular turret side faces are elongated to a length in line with the Turm Vorpanzer.

Visible by thickness and cince the important Standoff for the sidearmor (would it be like Schützen) is missing and angled inwards, also around 20mm for the side armor, on the turret and hull, (the turret looks similar as the Vorpanzer for Pz IV turrets) and the hull armor similar to the add on side armor for the Pz IV Ausf.E (of course this is a “eagle Eye estimathion” as well as “logical thinking” and could be wrong.)

Pz III Ausf.J Zusatzpanzerung

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