Would be fine if it had CMs and the FM wasnt still the bad placeholder code its had since day one. (same one that leaves the Tornado IDS struggling as well)
FA2 is suffering for much the same reason, lack of CMs and placeholder RWR.
If it wasnt for the Gripen. Britain would be worse off than Germany.
(P.S, we have the AoP, the Tornado F3 CSP didnt have DL for the AMRAAM, the AoP recieved that upgrade and we could yet get the FSP for Aim-120C5s)
Honestly completely forgot the tornado because i dont see people talk about it. Just the J11 and KWS.
Also i personally think the KWS couldve been added a while back with a fake loadout for the sake of balance considering this is a game not a simulator. I mean quite a few vehicles would need to change for them to be realistic as gaijin advertises.
Tornado family FM as a whole is a joke. I’ve been hearing about “FM fixes” ever since the first variants were added and they all still fly like absolute bricks.
If it wasnt for the Gripen. Britain would be worse off than Germany.
Agreed.
Why? Its an accurate statement. Marshall Plan says hello. And if they hadn’t, then the German air tree wouldn’t be scraping the barrel to find top tier aircraft. They are were only able to get by with F-4s for so long because of the US air presence. Otherwise they would have had to have adopted something the trialed, and certainly wouldnt have been able to allow the Typhoon its incredibly enlogated, hilariously imo, development cycle.
It must be hard being that fucking stupid. This is the equivalent of some procurement officers collecting the sales brochures and creating a chart for their findings. It even says they would need to conduct flight tests for some of their findings, meaning none have been conducted to that point.
Wrong. The burden of proof is on the party trying to get fiction into the game.
Wrong. The A2G capability still exists on the SA Gripen. It does not on Swiss F-18s.
I can almost forgive their excuse for why its taken so long to fix. They have to re-write part of the code. But its been nearly 2 years. By now you either have to get it fixed or call it quit and bodge it. 80% of the FM could be fixed tomorrow without the big code rewrite. But they wont even do that much.
With the logical path of action being to replace the phantoms with 4th gens in the mid-late 80s, like most of the major military powers, but were led to believe that the phantoms were capable enough by US reps, further compiled by the fact that there was no subsidised purchasing scheme for american 4th gens, of which all but the f-16 were tested by WTD 61, so you americans are the only ones to blame for Germany’s situation in WT
Yes… Its definitely the playerbase and not the fact that unlike every other nation ingame, these 2 have always had actual options for additions.
Cope more.
No need, since the same overzealous and frankly arrogant attitude you share with the other american mains makes them very easy to deal with in game :P
It’s a made-up (by you) statement. We’ve had this argument once already, and you failed to back it up in any way what’soever.
Marshall Plan says hello.
The Marshall Plan was about helping European economies rebuild after the war. WTF, how can somebody be this stupid? Oh wait, I’m talking to a War Thunder player and a US main.
hey are were only able to get by with F-4s for so long because of the US air presence. Otherwise they would have had to have adopted something the trialed, and certainly wouldnt have been able to allow the Typhoon its incredibly enlogated, hilariously imo, development cycle.
Them flying the F-4 has nothing to do with “US air presence” (which was far smaller than Frances or UKs); it has to do with Germany pouring their entire budget into their Ground Forces (or maybe you’re going to tell me they weren’t the 2nd largest ground army in the whole of NATO throughout the entire CW next?). To add to that, it was the US that wanted to station aircraft in Germany, not the other way around—did the latter make use of this? Yes. Were they “subsidized”? No on all levels, and claiming they were just makes you look as dumb as a log.
It must be hard being that fucking stupid. This is the equivalent of some procurement officers collecting the sales brochures and creating a chart for their findings. It even says they would need to conduct flight tests for some of their findings, meaning none have been conducted to that point.
If you can’t back your argument back, just say, nobody here will get angry at you for now knowing how to debate properly. It’s fine, my lad; if not now, there’s always next time!
Wrong. The burden of proof is on the party trying to get fiction into the game.
This has nothing to do with us trying to “get the Gripen into the game.” You were the one to claim they haven’t trialed the jet; as such, prove it. If you cannot, leave because you’re killing our brain cells with your written filth, and we really don’t deserve to be mentally tortured like this.
Wrong. The A2G capability still exists on the SA Gripen. It does not on Swiss F-18s.
Source for the Swiss removing A2G capability from the F-18 :)
Actually I’ve heard this before from a German Main. I think it was a big part of why there is such a big call for the Argentinian or Danish F-16
@x_Shini Do you have the loadout details for the Swiss F-18?
Though maybe Gaijin will take pitty on Germany give them it anyway
That was moreso due to the Swiss simply not purchasing any A2G for their Hornets, but as far as I know, they haven’t had their capability to use aircraft—ground ordnance physically removed in the samy way F-4Fs had their ability to use Sparrows taken out of them.
It was also before Gaijin provided us with a soft confirmation that as long as the jet can and the host country has/had the weapon(s) in question in real life, the jet is highly likely to receive it, for example, SAF Gripen C & Mavs (does it also get LGBs?).
I’ve heard somewhere that maybe they didnt buy the mounts or kit to mount A2G or something. So its possible they couldnt, but im not opposed to it having some A2G if they added the Swiss F-18 to Germany. Unlike Italy and Britain. Germany cant fall back onto “late” Tornado IDS for CAS (not too mention our other aircraft)
Yea that’s fair. Well, from what I know they did at least buy TPOD(s), and in 2012 they did try to integrate Paveway-2s into the Hornet, but the government cancelled it stating; “there’s no need for it”. So imo the capability is there, the weapons on the other hand, aren’t :P
Good day to be a British main. F15, F14 and F16 when?
F-117 and F-22 as well I think
f117 forgot about that, the US tried to get the UK to pay for half the development
Sounds about right. Then you also have things like the F-111K as well.
No. That was a single line in a document pertaining to Typhoon development.
No idea if the swiss f/a 18 can or cannot.
Switzerland just doesnt use them
I think every nation that has trialed teen series fighters should get them )))
United we can make US mains salty once more raaah )))