Well, enjoy being wrong on both accounts. API + your speed is better at angles, when stationary, it’s just as good at about 40 degrees already. Do-335 has plenty of speed. API reliably kills IS-2 no issue in a not so steep dive.
If you use 58mm pen shell only vs “cardboard” targets, “lol” is my answer.
77mm vs flat is nice, it might be better in a shallow dive vs T-34-85 and Sherman turret (but you need good angle anyway). But API shreds Shermans very well, and better post pen offsets the T-34-85 problem.
Vs most other targets you want to target top armor. In a non-vertical dive API is better.
When both can p,en - API is better.
Tiger dies to 250kg bombs reliably. 100kg bombs rip it apart unless they somehow hit in front without reaching the bottom armor.
I have not yet experienced surviving such a bomb in Tiger.
KV-220 Surviving 500kg bomb happened on literally my 1st 500kg bomb drop vs KV-220 after writing this and you have video evidence. And I haven’t dropped a bomb on KV-220 in years. I predicted this based off armor layout and what happens to KV-1 vs 250kg
Of course I was right.
uh, id enjoy, i have pretty good experience with those umu
with 60mils of pen? what a joke. you only can pen its roof armor, and i wouldnt risk hitting the ground for such shots with such aircrafts. If it was on 109`s belly then sure thng, but neither of the MK103 wielding aircrafts are good divers.
Instead, the APCR sideshots or 45* dives reliably crush everything you meet
It kills IS-2 reliably through the turret roof at not so steep dive. It does so very comfortably.
Way better post pen means it dies in relatively short burst HVAP sucks major a55 in this regard.
APCR reliably sideshots IS-2? ROFL, now you are delusional. Check penetration and IS-2 armor thickness.
I`d love to show you such screenshots, but its not rare enough to make me capture such and send to the cloud so i can further show them.
Never said that. I said that i use APCRs mainly for sideshots and 45* dives. Heavy tanks are just not the targets for such a small cannon with such a bad chassis
Ok, it doesn’t reliably sideshot angled targets. And people turn all the time and you have to fly low to hit that.
Roof is the better target.
At 45 degrees API has better pen if we factor plane’s speed, wchih should be in the 100-180m/s range.
And again - post pen is way better.
HVAP sucks vs IS series. And it would suck so much worse vs KV-220.
Luckily I had API.
tis not a sideshot if its angled gosh
uh. Yes? So…?
it has overall less pen, so even hitting sides of t-34 is useless with AP belt from 600m away. Idk whats so wrong with it you cant understand
Perfect non angled sideshot is rare and not worth considering, you absolut …
Edit: I’m sorry, I got very annoyed.
You are creating perfect fantasy/rare scenarios to make.your **** shell look good. If you are flying level and low, you can’t even spot targets and you are insta dead vs enemy planes and most SPAAs.
HVAP angled pen drop is way worse than with API, pen gain from plane speed is relatively smaller too.
I go for the roof. Which is waaay better idea overal. You keep counting on hitting lower T-34 angled side from a shallow dive while getting .50 called to death by everyone and their mother.
Oh and good luck with side shots vs targets in cities, in mountains and ravines. Most maps also have hills. The attack patern of flying level and shooting sides is just not viable in many, many cases.
While going from 45-50 degrees I can avoid most of the terrain, I can actually spot targets and retain more speed.
Aircraft API is still bugged and uses like LoS penetration.
So I can imagine that it’s pretty effective.
Also the velocity is still wrong.
Some things just never get changed.
But how would they with ten thousands of bug reports that are never looked at.
it doesnt need to be perfect. But it also yout choise to attack a machine angled 45*, not 5 to 10*.
Up until 30* APCR pens more with all distances, and to pick target with <30* angle is pretty easy done.
I do go for a roof only for one or two first attacks. Then you just dont have neither energy nor time to regain it. So you`re left with shooting from low altitude.
Do-335 has energy for days.
Also people are notorious for hugging terrain features.
Going at 50 degrees means 2 things.
You can just slap people regardless of.most.terrain features.
You don’t have to care about their angle, as roof is always available.
When using 262 with 50mm I got immensely frustrated by people making turns and making my shots bounce.
Also when diving at 20-30 degrees (because one has to go up to spot targets anyway) the side gets already stronger. Now add lateral angle.
Meanwhile with roof very rarely your target can surprise you.
Generally, I see how some people may like HVAP.
But for me and my attack profile API is better.
Well i dont use one, as tech tree ones dont look appealing.
And them 219 and 410 arent good energy savers.
thats how it is
Did you ever angle with the 220 ? Literally can’t pen it with Tiger-E.
Use Pzgr AKA nuke shell and blast the mantlet. 1 v 1 Tiger E roflstomps KV-220, but that’s it, KV-220 overal has way more survivability.
I had it happen to me with the swedish 600kg bomb (the thing has what? 480kg tnt equivalent?). I hit the tiger dead on the front plate. My bomb bounced of and landed in front of him (2second fuse) and he took no damage at all.
It is possible but only vs front when there’s no LOS to the bottom.
KV-220 has 100mm all-round, so no matter where you drop, it won’t die.
@Milashny_Koteyka
Just tested. APCR level attack does 2 things:
- penetrates
- wastes a ton of ammo to do anything.
it’s just so damn inefficient and time consuming to set up approaches. Top down is just so mcuh more convenient.
ah but its usualy one option you are left with after first dive
I find it quite difficult with anything i have with MK103 to do top down attacks. You either run out of energy in instant or smack the ground. So i pick the safe route
Well, after using both even more extansivly I will just say
The tiger E a 100 time more powerful when in a good position
But the kv-220 will be a lot less strict about what is a good position
Do-335 A0 and A1 can perform dives and climbs till they run out of ammo, reaching over 500km/h in the dives.
With 70 ammo, it really makes a difference.
Me-410 is kinda bad, but still, you can do about 3 passes and then just reclimb for 30s. But yeah, that plane is “do something quick before you die” kind of affair.
Practice is test flight, without using the distance markers. It really helps. API has some really broken performance vs angles, so 50 degrees dive will be enough vs most targets. 335A1 is quite nimble (for 335) so you can pull up fairly close to the ground.
Of course HVAP indeed is way better vs T-34 side, as T-34 side is a goddamn black hole for API from level flight, which I did not expect. However, with APCR in the same scenario I needed so many hits it just wasn’t viable. The best shot is back of the turret roof penetration straight into ammo. API is way better at detonating it BTW.