After trying both, im running about 2.2kd on the kv-220 and I am confused at how it is the same br has the tiger E
The tiger E is faster, has a stronger turret, similar hull armor when angled, way better gun, more reactive overall, lower profile
For people who enjoy the kv-220 enlighten me, it just feels like a dollar store tiger E with a gimmick
Its just neat
Despite this fact, it does have unarguably lower firepower, however, it has 100 mm of armor in all arcs (100/100/100 mm) compared to 100/80/80 mm from the Tiger I. Tiger I will have stronger turret since the mantlet is considered a cast steel armor, meaning variable armor values. The battle rating 6.0 for both vehicles is very well balanced.
Personally, it’s not my favourite but the turret is quite strong and the breech soaks up most shots. Quite capable when played well but I don’t have it anyway
It used to be amazing when it was introduced, now I’d also say it’s just mediocre at the BR it sits now. WT and its vehicles developped over the years, and it’s not uncommon that once hyped vehicles eventually fade away.
Other examples where this can be observed are Object 120, Cobra King, IS-6, Harrier Gr.1,…
Specially Heavy Tanks.
They are more often than not thrown into BRs where they become nothing but glorified Medium Tanks because apparently balance = everyone needs to be able to pen everyone regardless of any other factors such as mobility (all aspects), dynamics, rate of fire, etc.
Yeah, It used to be one of the more challenging vehicles to face in squadron battles and the people who had them were treated like gold.
“Similar hull armor when angled.” And there it is. 90% of the time tanks aren’t angled. Especially in close quarters. This thing does have better armor, to the point you gotta aim for weakspots. Tigers in close range can easily be upper front plated.
And his turret can sometimes volumetric buggy kv-220
What he and other player mean by that is that it was OP and now they are mad because it’s now balanced.
Even though it’s easily the strongest 6.0 vehicle.
It’s a chore to kill them because of their armor and survivability.
At least in the current meta, where long range fights have practically no influence on the battle.
So the Tiger isn’t as effective.
The good thing about the KV-220 is that it is, well, a KV. KVs have always seemed more heavily armored to me than the stats suggest, stopping shots that should be penetrations. For example, I recently stopped using the EBR, which uses the Sherman’s gun, and I’m certain I’d rather face Tigers than KV-1s, because if you shoot a Tiger from the side, you’ll kill it, whereas with the KV it’s a kind of lottery where sometimes you penetrate, but other times you don’t.
I have a friend who’s used it quite a bit, and he complains about the turret armor and how easily the gun is lost. He also often finds that bullets ricochet off the mantlet and lodge in the hull roof, killing the tank. But I’ve also frequently seen him take continuous fire, resist until he repairs the gun, and then kill the various enemies who shot at him—something I haven’t seen with other tanks, unless it was due to a damage model bug.
The only good way of killing KV-220 is mantlet shot using 8.8cm nuke shell. Basically that’s the only thing that works reliably if 220 is angled. Panther gun may take like 10 shots to the turret to take this thing out.
The tiger has clear weakspots, the 220 is more like gump’s box of chocolate, u never know what you will get, ‘hit’ or ‘target destroyed’. Especially at an angle the shear complexity of the tanks’ geometry confuses a lot of people.
Also wtf is 405 error?
Haha, I think this forum experienced something funny, I also got an error because of “lack of battles” (played yesterday in the evening).
KV-220 turret shots will destroy the breech. But this thing will never die unless nuke shell or long 88 is involved. You can just take shot after shot, repair and continue the fight, chance of losing a crewmember is super low.
Angled hull is a no-go, unless long 88 is involved.
Tiger E hull is always vulnerable to Soviet 85mm (pay2win Tiger pack has additional armor to prevent that, but we can’t have that even at 6.0 in techtree), with super random turret, but if turret is penetrated it’s very likely the tank will be horribly messed up, of course including transmission, because that’s totally something that can happen in real life :D
Strength of KV220 is that it is rare. When you meet it, you`re not sure where to pen it. It also has weaker turret front, but penetration there rarely leads to any damage. Plus its hull is 100mm round so its hard to pen to sides when angled, much unlike tiger 1. So its pretty strong?
I mean against larger soviet guns like 122mm or 100mm which u can well see at this BR, you are pretty done anyway, so it is really down to who is harder to kill in downtiers, and to me KV220 even comes out on top.
I mean, yeah, but also KV-220 does way better vs popular US 76mm and Japanese 75mm, they have way better chances vs Tiger, while vs KV - vs broadside yeah, it’ll work, anything else and problems start.
British 17 pounder can… well, pound the turret and kill the breech.
The advantage in hull armor is hilarious. Advantage in front turret armor for Tiger is non-substantial.
Edit: previously I made a wrong statement about KV-220 having better turret. But it seems Tiger turret is strong as hell, so there’s that.
Tiger has a bit more penetration with nuke shell (which is what one should be using) while Soviet 85mm does funny things vs angles. I have serious trust issues with 88 vs M4A3 non-Jumbo even.
Tiger has mobility edge and better gun depression, but I don’t think it’s enough to cover up armor advantage.
Has someone who play EXTANSIVLY both the tiger and kv220, the tiger E blows the kv220 out of the water, by far
the kv 220 is only stronger on very specific scenario, the stronger turret better gun faster speed is usaly a lot better no matter the scenario
Tiger turret is stronger, but it depends.
KV-220 turret can be penetrated, but most of these shots kill breech at best. Which means, unless KV-220 is alone and close enough to push, such hit is just a minor inconvenience, all thanks to magical internal armor plate, that I’m not sure has any reason to be there.
Tried 20 different shots, and maybe on 2 some crewmen got actually killed, but never more than 2.
This is a very good result:
This is a typical shot:
Meanwhile in Tiger E land, turret is very hard to penetrate in general:
But hull is paper. And while turret top is 40mm, hull armor is 25mm and there’s PLENTY of hull top exposed.
Which means Yak-9UT basically 1-shots you from 1000m away. 105mm HE to the lower part of the turret is a reliable 1-shot. And US and British 20mm cannons have a chance to destroy you, especially on more agile platforms that can pull up.
KV-220 is super hard to kill by planes even 500kg bombs may oftentimes fail to kill it due to 100mm armor all around, Tiger gets destroyed by 100kg bombs due to 60mm lower sides. Top armor is also very good, 40mm turret, 30mm hull, and it’s a lot harder to kill crewmen via hull top which is largely blocked by turret at most angles, basically the only way to do that is sharp dive from the front.
And regarding the gun - 85mm has insane angled performance + it basically ignores angle on add-on armor. IMO it has better overal performance than 8.8 with nuke shell regarding penetration. Of course not regarding damage, here nuke shell is a bit better. But not much.
But 1 v 1, Tiger E is way better.
I am willing to agree, the mobility is quite a big advantage. Problem is, KV-220 has better power to weight (13,6 vs 12,2). Tiger E has better reverse. So IMO there’s no clear mobility advantage.
Turret rotation is 12 on KV vs 14 on Tiger E. So some advantage goes to German tank.
KV-220 can basically tank shots for half an hour without any need to go hulldown.
So for doing “heavy tank work” it’s better.
6.0 BR for both is very reasonable, but in many battles 220 is way more effective, because it may act as a roadblock almost anywhere and Tiger E is more situational.
With all due respect, but everyone remembers the IS-6 spam when the majority of its counters couldnt pen it.
