It wouldnt be the first time russia gets propaganda only tech… :/
I have a brochure there is a nazi base on the dark side of the moon. Why not add some of the vehicles and weapons from this brochure to the german TT?
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The main advantage of ML is its cheapness.After all, a laser finder is several times cheaper than an IR
There is no page for any other variants, and I have switched the website language and dont see the MT or the IR guidance option mentionned either. Im still not sure why you see it.
Incompatible fire control system
if the fire control system is incompatible with something = it cannot work
e.g. if ur computer is incompatible with windows 11 = u cannot use windows 11
off topic
The HE-VT shell is literally a self encompassing shell.
Its not like AHEAD that it needs some linking to the FCS.
What proof do you even have that the fcs isnt compatible. The brochure says it has it.
Also thr bofors 57mm cannon can use it. Why not the begleitpanzer?
Unequal analogy
scouring the russian side of internet did not really prove to be useful - i did not find any concrete sources.
there ARE mentions of the missile, even its seeker head - 9-Б-7738 (supposedly an IR seeker, but no further information about it)
https://www.fsvts.gov.ru/catalog/771.ru.html
this source mentions the MTE variant - the one with IR+IOG guidance
this one mentions its seeker, but no more useful information
according to this GRAU table its either a TV or IR seeker:
https://ia601607.us.archive.org/30/items/SALIS3_GRAU_indexes__ver329__2011-06-11/SALIS3_GRAU_indexes__ver329__2011_06_11.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjyh4yF-taMAxX9BNsEHZvtGv4QFnoECCIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2fQmBSgIeo1sHAB99u6eDS
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Seeing as the russians have generally stayed away from putting IR seekers on AGMs, if we look at the Kh-25, there was only a prototype MTP with an IR seeker. There was no Kh-29 with an IR seeker.
So i suspect that the Kh-38MT, even if it exists, must have only a TV seeker
You can use proxy without FCS. It can’t be programmed, but you can use a standard proxy that fuzes after leaving the barrel.
could be this, no idea on the TV seeker though
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Yeah exactly.
Begleitpanzer doesnt program its proxy HE anyway.
Idk what the dudes on about
Drugs
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Can we stay on topic and this isn’t the place for 1v1 etc, move it to DM’s if you want to debate the topic.
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Just want to specify here;
Your first link is an outdated catalogue link from the manufacturer.
Your second link uses the first link, the info from the 2009 exhibition, and wikipedia as sources…
And as you mentionned, the third link mentions the proposed seekers basic function, but nothing else.
This is what I meant when I originally said all info about the Kh-38MT can effectively be traced back to brochures. If you actually follow the sources provided, the brochures, either on KTRV/ROE websites, or at MAKS are effectively all that literally every scrap of info regarding the Kh-38MT’s existence are sourced to.
Literally all “evidence” yet to be provided of the Kh-38MT’s existence are the promotional brochures, and the accompanying mockups.
It seems the more ppl try to prove its existence, the more they prove it likely never did.
Much appreciated for the much needed moderation. I understand this topic is devisive, and want to apoligize for any trouble it causes the mod team, but do believe it to be a very legitimate conversation for the community, and hopefully the devs to have.
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there is basically no valid information about the missile, even in russian, i was grasping at the straws here tbh
i am pretty much convinced this missile does not exist, even if its body and seeker do exist separately
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Thanks for taking a look on the russian side of things. I believe I was quite thorough in my research before I decided to make this topic, seeing as the “accusation” I was making was rather subtantial, and did check russian sources as well, but iirc you’ve mentionned you spoke russian, so you def have a leg up on that side of things. I appreciate you double checking my work. 🫡
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the russian side doesn’t really add anything worthwhile, its mostly propaganda with no sources
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that seams to be for non Russians planes only ask the yak 141
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Agree, the purpose of creating Kh38MT is not clear. For many reasons, AGM with IR guiding system mostly used for anti armored targets, but Kh38 have too much weight on its warhead for anti armor purpose. Makes its not worthed too much on its main purpose. i think its the main reason it could not equipped in russian military.
And by the way, if u wanna gaijin do something about this, you should creat an issue there :3
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder
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