The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

You can drive around at safe range watching things unfold.

Tiktok, Reddit, and Youtube… Do I need to say more? I have yet to see any content creators make claims that the Kh38 is fine.

In this forum, it’s also quite agreed upon. Let me ask you, did you ever ratio me or others with your opinion? In your view, the majority doesn’t think like that, so where’s all likes?


Lets stop pretending Mavericks act the same between different platforms. They don’t. A maverick on a F-16C is a lot better than a maverick on an A-10C.

What’s funny is that I regularly bring the Su39 into 12.0 matches and can get consistent kills with the Kh29TE


Ah yes, GBUs are so effective in the A-10 because you’ll be waiting a couple of business days for it to hit the target. The B+ is a high subsonic plane making launching mavs and gbus much more effective.


You still haven’t explained a good reason on why the Kh59, a hammer equivalent, is a good replacement for the KH38…

BRs can be adjusted accordingly when this happens which you seem to not be on board with. The SM3 will be good at 12.0-.3, the 34 will do well in 12.7 and the Su30 will still be great at 13.0.


Again, just because it’s a “poor” airframe, doesn’t give it an excuse to get broken agms that completely ruin top tier ground. Something you can’t wrap your head around.

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no you cant, mav gimble limit is very bad

It’s funny how fast they can pinpoint the exact location of the spawn and just wait for something to pop in existence before shooting at them.

You can easily spawn camp them or turn around just to shoot a missile at a marked target.

its actually exactly like it. the F-16AJ is a nonexistent variant of an existing aircraft, and the Kh-38MT is a nonexistent variant of an existing missile (Kh-38ML exists)

both should be completely removed from the game

no you cant because if you are watching spawn you are flying towards it so you arent at 10km like you are claiming

a mav might not reach 10km if launched from that slow

Still, where’s the majority in that ?
I do need some evidence, as taking anecdotes as facts isn’t really wise.

Since when this forum constitutes the majority of players ?

It still has less missiles and worse A2A load out.

Because it isn’t a good replacement.

Because I’m not on board with changes that remove the reason vehicles actually were added to the game.

You do realize that repeating your opinion x times won’t just make it a fact, right ?

10km is the maximum theoretical range of AAs at which they struggle to hit strike drones, let alone anything else. Anything above 6-7km is safe unless you fall asleep in the meantime.

Marks don’t last for a millisecond.

oh so now you are moving the goal post

yeah and they arent particularly accurate, you still need to tell if what you see is a wreck or not

the KH-59 is a cruise missile and not an AGM (i mean it still kinda is but i hope you get the point)
it would have an even higher range than the KH-38 which is one of the biggest complaints that ppl have in here about the KH-38

the KH-59 also has a higher exlposive mass

Scout marks are pretty accurate.

and if you want to be even more accurate, you can have a buddy with a recon drone that is marking targets for you

It can act like an agm and it’s already in the files.


The complain towards the Kh-38 is not it’s range. If that’s the case, the Agm-130 and Hammer would also be equally as bad as the Kh-38.

The main complain is the speed of the Kh-38. It can reach targets faster than all other agms in the game and by a large margin making enemies have less time to react. This is what make it extremely deadly and hard to counter.

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So you want to give them a missile that has 2.2x less speed, which is something you say is extremely important and makes all the difference.
I thought all that difference should warrant more than just a 0 or 0.3 BR reduction.

i wouldnt say that jsut because something is in the files that it should be added to the game
a few examples would be:

  • Python 4
  • Aim-9x
  • Kh-59

it kinda is tho, i have seen multiple ppl complaining that the KH-38 can jsut out range every AA and the KH-59 would certainly not make that any better

in case of the KH-59, it wouldnt have a bright white smoke trail, as it isnt powered by a rocket booster but a jet engine, which makes it easy to spot and you wont see the launch plattform because it can fire the KH-59 from like 50km+ away,
so the KH-59 will probably be harder to spot than the KH-38 and you cannot react to something you cannot detect

It’s amusing that some people think that ilga is better then counterparts it was 10.2 G vs 13G now it’s 9.8G vs 20G and ilga somehow with lower numbers wins

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If I gave the F-15E aim-9x before any other nation gets similar missiles and I wanted to remove it (it’ll still have the aim-9m) because it’s too broken, does that warrant a BR reduction?

Removing a broken weapon and replacing it with a weapon that has similar capabilities to other nations doesn’t mean it gets it’s BR reduced.

As mentioned before, I can see the SM3 be either 12.0 or 12.3. It’ll ultimately depend on how good the Kh59 performs

The Su34 will be at the same BR as the RMV so yes I think the .3 br reduction will be fair.

The Su30 will remain in the same BR as it will be a direct competitor to the Rafael

Because of the post launch corrective maneuver it performs, it zeros out much of the misalignment for free.

you can see it in the attached link

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Well it didn’t have it when AH-1Z was the top tier heli it makes this 20G vs 9.8G comparison with Igla winning in it hillarious

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Kh-59 have same TV seeker as Kh-29T only differense it has datalink so no it will not be replacement for Kh-38