The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

You might be able to know that something is locking you, but if you don’t see any rounds coming your way it’s impossible to dodge. Other AAs leave a line of tracers so they are totally exposing themselves as well.

Downplaying the strength of M247 isn’t really wise.

My point is that other nations deserve an equivalent of M247 and speaking of IRs, I’ve seen them being dodged as you can actually see them coming.

It having a radar, even primitive and very bad one, is an advantage. Regardless of that, it can’t even engage helicopters for obvious reasons.

Meanwhile M247 gets a much better radar and can actually engage enemies it’s made to counter.

So yeah, type 93 still sitting above M247 is questionable.

Where is the problem in that ?
It’s been established months ago that AAs aren’t a valid counter to CAS, so CAP is by far the best option.

I guess non RU players are forbidden to spawn a plane by the game itself.

-KH38 does exists!

-Ok? Proof please

-OMG it’s ridiculous they demand proof

Thats basically what we want

We provided proof that it shouldnt be in the game but ofc u complain about that and dont provide proof for its existance cuz U CANT xDD

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-KH38 does not exists!

-Ok? Proof please

-OMG it’s ridiculous they demand proof

This is you, rn.

And i know you like me very much that you try to copy my posts, but please, try to figure out your own style - you are worthy of it.

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Proof of non-existence IS NOT A THING

The burden of proof is ALWAYS on the party claiming existence

The absence of proof of existence IS proof of non-existence

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Yes, exactly

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please do tell me how you prove something that doesnt exist

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at this point even ghost or big foot even more real than KH-38 MT. lol
we have lot of pictures of it on google where KH-38MT on aircraft is none.

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So you agree that until someone proves that the Kh38MT actually exists, it should be treated as either fake at worst or prototype/mockup at best?

Well I’m glad that got resolved quickly.

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xDDDDDD

That makes no sense.
That’s like you claim a newly found out species of an animal only started existing on the date it was discovered.

Something can indeed exist even without a proof.

No, it just means it can neither be disproved or proved until something/someone can prove one way or the other.

There’s a missile US made a couple decades ago. It’s basically a derivative from Maverick family. So at the time it was a very powerful missile. It has gen3 thermals, 150km range. Is compact enough to be used with a quad rail on basically every american/european fighter jet. And because of thrust vectoring system - can actually be fired almost backwards. I have no clue why gaijin refused to add it alongside kh-38mt, they’re basically in the same class of missiles.

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Prove to me dragons dont exist. Show me a specific evidence that points to the fact that dragons never existed in real life.
Ill shorten it for you, you cant, because you cant prove non existence, only thing that you can prove is existence of something, and if that proof of existence is lackluster that points to the presumed non-existence of it. After all if XYZ exists and someone claims it does, then there has to be some form of evidence to it.

Now change the dragons to literally anything, same thought process applies. Idk if youre being forcibly argumentative for no other reason than to well, argue with people, or you genuinely dont get the concept of burden of proof at this point.

Ill simplify it. Gaijin added a thing. That things existence has been disputed due to lackluster publically available evidence of existence. It is now on the party making the claim the thing exists (gaijin) to prove that the thing (Kh38MT not ML) exists with public information (since they dont accept classified information) to prove that the thing they claim exists does in fact exist.

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All these comments like “prove it doesnt exist then” or “but look at XYZ” or “but nato had ZYX in 20XX for years and it was a problem” all just take away from the issue at hand, try to shift away from the point of conversation or fall into “this stuff was OP before, why cant this be OP now”

The bottom line is, if it doesnt exist, it shouldnt be in the game. Mock up, weird testing planes, munitions that were only designed on paper, wooden half finished mock ups, it doesnt matter, russian, soviet, german, chinese, american or other type, it shouldnt be in the goddamn game.

Ho-Ro “production”, F16AJ, this fuckin thing if gaijin say that the source for it came to them in a dream, etc., it doesnt matter what it is, if they wont accept one type of a thing then they should atleast stick to that decision with all things.

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I find this the most likely scenario lmao. Now all we need is a big enough YouTuber to talk about it

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Look, I fairly easily disproved his claim by simply telling him about wildlife being discovered every day.

By your logic, something discovered in 2020 didn’t exist at all in 2019. I think you’re mixing up the terms of existence and discovery.

Back to your dragon theory, if the existence of a two-headed dragon was confirmed, I might very well believe three-headed one could be real.
MT is basically a copy of 38ML but with different seeker and given how they made IR seekers for different KH series, I’d say the circumstantial evidence is on their side.

Oh I almost forgot, you can prove something like that didn’t exist by showing us a document stating the project has been cancelled for x reason, so ball is in your court as well.
In law terms, you’re not guilty until proven otherwise and that burden of proof lies with the plaintiff, which is OP in this case.

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discovery ?

Why are we comparing hidden species in the middle of a jungle or on the ocean’s floor to a missile again ? Are we going to pretend both are the same thing ?

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It was just a food for thought for certain individuals that claim something can’t exist if it’s not discovered.
It was the easiest to do so with animal species.

however gaijin’s requirements say that proof is needed. you can look at what smin has written earlier.

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