The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

We have evidence of a concept no evidence that it was actually made.

Well, that’s kinda the point

There’s no evidence on which planes can use it …

There would be nothing there if no orders were ever placed for it.

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So the A7E with the lana flir navagation pod just didnt exist at 10.7. My imagination then. So while you cant launch guided munitions with it at least you could see. Which is more than what i could do in a night match in any Russian CAS until su-25T which came almost two years later.

We literally do not have evidence it existed.

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You keep saying that, yet posted in this whole thread, there’s been multiple photos of different seeker heads, Laser, TV, and a magical third one.

not irl though

Do i need to post the bigfoot picture again or

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Not necessarily true

i think its true for this one

These things “constantly” occur

GPU-5/A on the A-7E & -7K is almost certainly also erroneous (A-7D has video footage) due to the navy not participating in the trials, and the -K being being built only after the trials concluded but then the sales Brochure was raised as evidently states use by the A-7 airframe and that it is otherwise known the only difference between the -7D, -7E & -7K is the engine and 2nd seat of the latter, so it will stand even though nothing specifically supports their carriage of the store .

GPU-5/A 30 mm Gunpod for the F-15

“The attached videos and photos show the F-15B-4-MC aircraft with tail number 71-0291, which is the prototype of the F-15E Strike Eagle. This aircraft differs significantly from the single-seat fighter version of the F-15A.”

I’d like to point out that these has also been no presented evidence of carriage of the -38MT for each specific airframe either, which outlined above is needed, so even regardless of if it is determined that a mockup store is suitable for carriage, each specific airframe (variant) that does have access to should need to be proven individually, since as outlined it’s not good enough apparently for a similar station / rail adapter to be sufficient either, as specified by Smin in the above excerpt.


Addtion of the AGM-119A to the F-16A-10 in the US tree
Wasn’t offered a chance to prove that the -16A in the US tree is a Franken-plane.


A report for the addition of the GPU-2/A to the US A-4E never got off the ground even though, evidence exists, I just couldn’t prove that the specific airframe variant it was tested on was an A-4E Early, not the A-4E Late or A-4F that the unit in question operated simultaneously

And similar issues would occur for a report for the GPU-5/A to be added to the same airframe, considering the Sales Brochure for the GPU-5/A linked above only makes reference to the airframe, not the variant as if later integration would be performed pending the client’s requirements, even if it can be proven by other sources which stations can carry what weights and or have existing wiring to mount gunpods, thus determining the potential stores configuration.


On a separate note it’s not as if removing over-performing ordnance from the game is without precedent, just look at the S-13DF as an example, even if it’s a store that has seen service isn’t a protection.

And as with the ZA-HVM, being a mockup isn’t a protection either, as it’s addition to the game was aborted at basically the last second before going live simply because it was discovered to never have been functional, but then as a counter point there is the Concept 3, which had a non-functional turret.

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There is a slight * to the DFs part of the reason they were removed was gaijin admitting that they didnt know how to model thermobaric munitions in a way that would be balanced, and even then they were replaced with OFs.

I bring it up mostly because Gaijin are strangely resistant to providing the numerous Western HE warhead configurations for unguided rockets (HVAR, 2.75", Zuni, etc.) to basically anything for seemingly no reason.

But then won’t provide HEAT warheads for guided rockets like the APKWS II and others without explanation.

it really does make no sense since Eastern counterparts have no issue with receiving both, and it’s not like there aren’t a multitude of sources if any data points are at issue.

They could have also just reduced the “Re factor” for FAE warheads to something more reasonable from the ~3.85 that it was set to, and added other FAE ordnance in order to balance it out (e.g. BLU- 64, -72 , -76 , -95 or -96 etc.)

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In the past I would have said it was for balance. Personally I think the reason we dont see any other variants of basically any rocket outside s-25 is partly balance, partly not to overload the player with even more choice and partly because a lot of the variants (at least until they add AI infantry) are kinda useless.

While there definitely are variants of rockets I do want to see (S-5U and KPB come to mind among others) a decent chunk would be absolutely useless but also some that could be entirely too funny. Chaff rockets immediately come to mind in this regard.

It’s really not that bad as all it would do is add a single other option for the most part for the presets.

They would much more readily overpressure the “light” armor target set due to hard limit on HEAT’s over-pressure penetration of 20~30mm RHAe. and also against AI targets in air modes be significantly more useful due to the larger explosive radius.

I mean I’m not suggesting that more Flechette rockets get added like the Multi-dart that is already implemented on the French Jaguar.

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Flechette APKWS would probably be pretty effective against helicopters though

I hope the IR seeker APKWS that was just revealed goes into service but hey, if KH38MTs are fine, I don’t see why they can’t add them now

tbf its more real than kh-38MT in another form (LOGIR):

And was tested:
https://www.navair.navy.mil/node/10516

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