Just like the fox not being nerfed? Wow sheer luck it’s still allowed to over preform ;)
How the hell is the fox over preforming? It’s mildly annoying to deal with it yes, but it aint bubonic to face it. Compare that to the KH-38MT and uhh… you get the idea…
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It was massively nerfed because someone reported “it didnt feel right” despite multiple primary sources confirming that the nerf was totally fake.
So…
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So with over 2000+ replies. Can we see the sources that Gaijin used for the seeker? Where does it state that it has 50x zoom and 3rd gen thermals? I’m genuinely curious.
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About 25x zoom but yeah I would like to know where they pulled this from.
Copy-paste value from Kh-29T
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
We are at OVER 1000 VOTES (1076 if you want to be technical)
83% of those votes or Pro Removal, that’s at least 830 votes. (approximately 893.08 for those of you who want more numbers)
Only 17% of those votes are Pro Keep it, that’s around 170 votes. (approximately 182.92 for those who want more numbers)
This thread has (as far as I can tell) proven that there is Objectively No (solid) Proof for the existence of the Thermal Seeker Head on the Kh-38MT.
If anyone feels like arguing, this is all just using information gathered by observing this thread, so don’t argue with me, instead read all 2200+ posts.
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While I agree that Gaijin adding this missile to every new top tier Russian aircraft without evidence that they can carry it is questionable, the poll in a thread doesn’t really mean much.
You are gonna have Russian-mains that are gonna always vote to keep it regardless of the evidence, and you are gonna have non-Russian-mains that are gonna vote to remove it regardless of the evidence.
Plus you have ground-only players that just hate CAS …
You could make polls about keeping or removing the AASM, Kh-25/29 or AGM-65 and you would probably still get similar results … (Though weapons that are used by a larger percentage of the player base like AGM-65, would obviously get higher fraction of “keep” votes)
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True, very true, but I think that the main point the OP set out to make has been proved: No objective proof for the existence of the thermal seeker head for the Kh-38MT, which I feel like is a major factor for the amount of votes.
But who am I to know? i’m just a tired forums user who’s trying to think thoughts and failing spectacularly lol
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also, literally the only other post I’ve seen with 1000+ votes was for the Su-47, and that post has been up for 1 year and 4 months. this post has been up for only 4 days, so I think it’s safe to say that most people who would want to vote “no” have seen this and done so already.
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iirc the vote to give f15e the better engines also had similar number of people voting
Coolio, didn’t know that.
thinking back it might have only been 700-800 votes
that’s still a solid amount of votes. even just earlier today this had only 800 some-odd votes
Yeah, it doesn’t exist.
If they’re not willing to give the Abrams DU turret cheeks, which have actually been used, then some obscure weapon that’s never been proven to be real shouldn’t be in game.
Votes do not prove anything and are not objective.
Inside this topic there is no proof that it’s fake, and no proof that it’s in mass production.
The only thing proven is the seeker head is likely over-performing due to being copy-paste of AGM-65D.
Note I am talking about proofs, not my opinion; and my opinion is irrelevant… in my opinion.
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True, votes prove nothing, and opinions, including my own, are irrelevant.
As I said, there is no solid or objective proof enough to justify the current state of the Kh-38MT
(I know, that’s not my exact words, but I will adjust what I’ve said as it more properly aligns with the current consensus of this thread, and I wish to remain primarily neutral and do rough stats)
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What are you on about? Abrams does have DU turret. The controvery around it is Hull DU
it doesnt though, the in game armor values are from the Swedish trials which was an export package that did not have DU
additionally this export package was known the be considerably less protective than the DU armor used domestically at the time
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So what are you expecting like 700mm Kinetic when it already has like 680 atm. Nothing is piercing that except a 292
Im just saying that it doesnt have DU in game
also more common rounds can pen the turret cheeks if you arent looking straight at them along with some ATGMs so it would be a small improvement