we’ve known this for a while, some people just refuse to admit that it probably isnt real
Man they got the whole lineup sitting here. Very likely these guys made these yes (the Kh-58 isn’t in this picture I think, but they made one too).
Kh-38MT here doesn’t have a seeker, but they make them as well, and very realistic ones at that. Example from their Kh-59:
description of the product also confirms these seekers are not real and have been used for display on air shows (MAKS).
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Well, i guess that shakes the MT debate once again.
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I mean it likely means the seeker we see in the Kh-38MT display is fake. But, it has to be based on something right? The Kh-59 exists in this TV form, so they could model a seeker accurately for it. Probably the Kh-38MT seeker is based on something real too, but it can’t be said for sure. I definintely also can see them making one up (or basing it off other designs), they got the experience.
But yeah, so much for the “why waste so much time/money to make it look real” argument.
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Yup
I left the topic for a while, what was done with the brochure picture?
I brought this up a long time ago, its in point 2. from the OP:
but still there is gonna be the claim for the silver ring wich its just an issue with the shadow casting due to the poor quality and lighting
They share a striking resemblance, the dark seeker is nearly identical to the mockup in the picture above.
It’s almost like this missile never existed operationally and all “physical” evidence have been mockups made from PVC pipes 😵
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Would a mockup like that have the appropriate mountings for mounting to an aircraft which could bear the weight though?
Yea, why not. You can see them on the mockup, and hanging mockups on pylons was done multiple times.
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I imagine that isn’t a problem. Probably ordered them with a requirement for that sort of stuff. Like probably some just to be mounted, some with detailed seeker, etc. I wonder though if there’s a picture of the aircraft with Kh-38MTs at all other than that brochure picture. Quite funny otherwise for them to commission for at least two of these missiles just for this picture.
Then again, they might just have some old ones laying around, slightly modified for the purpose, idk. They have a lot of these models so why not I guess.
Mockups get mounted on aircraft for testing all the time, this has been mentioned multiple times in the thread before.
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This picture was posted higher up in the thread, so I assume it’s fine.
we got any new evidence? or are we still with the single brochure?
Ok can USA get peregrine missiles then? Same boat as 38MT tbh
And frankly it’s a pretty low bar given we can find a multitude of even better proofs for weapons that have been completely passed over for some reason.
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We are potentially down another source since starting, as we may have found the company which produced the mockups seen, which would confirm they were entirely non-functional mockups.
We started with 3 sources (Website, brochure, mockups), and are now down to 1, truly not looking good for it.
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It is a low bar, but at that point (and provided it’s not obviously one of the earlier mockups) I’d say it is a real missile.