The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

[French_Cat2]

link proof or didn’t happen. Simple. Also this is a KH-38MT thingy, not a Su-27 thingy.

[ZE4L0T]

They are not fake because they were all partially designed/built. Even if they were 100% fake, there are plenty of ways that things that are fake in WT.

@quartas121

wouldn’t have worked anyways

Based on what? If they are willing to say that the Kronshtadt or Ho-Ri Production would have worked if XYZ, then we can also assume that the incompleted vehicles would have worked based on XYZ (e.g. strengthened turret ring, adjustments to the mantlet/breach, etc. etc.).

@quartas121

If they have to make up new turret or breech designs to make it work it’s pure fantasy again, and no better than WoT

Not really. War Thunder is mechanically better than WoT. Further, the tanks are not pure fantasy…

[quartas121]

@ZE4L0T

Based on what

Basic thinking and dimensions

KH-38MT, Ho-Ri need to be fully removed

Naval follows a different set of rules so it’s dumb to bring it as an example

[kitsune_qq]

@ron_2303

ppl have found the T-10 flightmanual and performance data,

Thats even funnier.
Ppl contacted some of devs via CBRs.

Funny thats theres was some Ralin’s messages long time ago, asking to elaborate/discuss/etc ghraps of same source

[MythicPi]

@ZE4L0T

If they are willing to say that the Kronshtadt or Ho-Ri Production

Horrid examples, WT naval has a different standard for additions (keel laid minimum), and the Ho-Ri production is slated for removal when they find a suitable replacement, iirc it was also added under the assumption it was real, mistakenly-so.

[ZE4L0T]

I can provide more if you want, those were just the first to come to mind.

@MythicPi

WT naval has a different standard for additions (keel laid minimum)

So we can be unrealistic…

@MythicPi

Ho-Ri production is slated for removal when they find a suitable replacement

Lmk when they do. Even when it’s removed, it won’t be removed for everyone. So still unrealistic.

[French_Cat2]

Bro…

[Silversting]

I understand. You have no arguments…

@French_Cat2

Also this is a KH-38MT thingy, not a Su-27 thingy.

Remember this message. You are only concerned about Russian weapons, but don’t forget about other problems too

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[quartas121]

Ragebait?

[French_Cat2]

the bait used to be believable

[ZE4L0T]

It’s funny how people get mad when presented with the faulty logic behind their own perceived distinctions if it were applied in other circumstances.

My position is clear: remove everything which is unrealistic from the game or permit a degree of unrealism for the sake of fairness and balance.

[quartas121]

If by unrealistic you mean the game’s assumption that equipment works perfectly/as intended, that is not the same unrealistic as a fictional vehicle like jet powered R2Y2, Ho-Ri, F-16AJ, Tiger 2 105, Panther 2, and flakpanzer 341, or fictional weapon like Kh-38MT, which should be removed promptly

[ron_23]

@quartas121

fictional weapon like Kh-38MT

yeah a Kh-38 with a maverick seeker is really bad for realism
they should give it its stated loal abilities so it can be used at 40km

[ZE4L0T]

@quartas121

If by unrealistic you mean the game’s assumption that equipment works perfectly/as intended

No- on a more fundamental level:
-Spawn Protection
-Unlimited Fuel
-Mini-Maps
-10 second repairs
-Nerfs to bombs/munitions to make them less OP
-Unrealistic teams
-Unrealistic engagements
-Unrealistic maps
-Unrealistic sound feedback

I can move on to more specifics with vehicle implementation if you want…

[MommyDommyEnjyr]

@MythicPi

I dont know, I’d have to discuss that with a tech mod. As ppl have said, its effectively impossible to definitively proove something does not exist, so I’m still waiting for someone to post actual evidence the thing does exist.

tbh this isnt even a question of “proving validity” they now have a justifiable reason to remove the weapon system from game on the grounds of balance, ill accept the ML variants as there are laser guided so in reality your not flinging 4+ at a time with zero impunity.

I’ve said it before but gaijin need to now start looking at removing weapon systems on Jets for the sake of balance or at least limit the amount they take (SP changes isnt enough) its the spam thats the issue

[MythicPi]

@ZE4L0T

So we can be unrealistic…

WT naval has the “keel laid” rule because ships take a lot longer to build. Theres a majorndifference between a ship with a displacement of 40000t and a missile. Even then, players generally dont like the Kron being in the game.

@ZE4L0T

Lmk when they do. Even when it’s removed, it won’t be removed for everyone. So still unrealistic.

You’re just being argumentative for the sake of arguing at this point.

Atm, there is no good reason, either realism or balanced-base, that the Kh-38MT should remain in-game.

@ZE4L0T

My position is clear: remove everything which is unrealistic from the game or permit a degree of unrealism for the sake of fairness and balance.

Your position does not match your desire to keep the Kh-38MT in-game. It is unbalanced, its literally the best air to ground missile ingame and by quite a bit

[Славянский_Прострел]

little baby su27

[ZE4L0T]

@MythicPi

Your position does not match your desire to keeo the Kh-38MT in-game. It is unbalanced, its literally the best air to ground missile ingame and by quite a bit

I don’t care if the Kh-38MT remains in the game. I am saying that if it does, then they should reintroduce the aforementioned vehicles into the game.

I am also showing how challenging it is to actually make the argument from strict realism, and how it doesn’t make sense to make exceptions for some vehicles but not others.

Also TBH, the AGM-65Ds are now pretty on par with the Kh-38s in effectiveness. I say this as someone who has been complaining for years about how trash they have been. The key difference is that the Russians have the Pantsir and everyone else has garbage SPAA platforms, which I also disagree with.

[sudo_su1]

@MythicPi

Your position does not match your desire to keeo the Kh-38MT in-game. It is unbalanced, its literally the best air to ground missile ingame and by quite a bit

Well, (regarding the balance) I would prefer them adding better AGMs for other nations as well, e.g. Brimstone, SDB II etc

Though, while I do not agree with the claims that “Kh-38MT does not exist” (because marketing material is enough for the game in terms of existence of the weapon), issuing it to various planes without any proof that they can use it is questionable …

But it’s not like you can get them to remove it … I made a report for Su-34 based on Sukhoi’s website which says it can carry 6x R-77s (instead of the 8 it gets in the game), and they rejected it essentially saying “our consultant says that’s outdated information” without providing any evidence …

[Morvran]

@sudo_su1

(because marketing material is enough for the game in terms of existence of the weapon)

Gererally it isnt.

Otherwise there is a LOT of weapon systems that should be added that only existed in Marketing Materials