The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

[Danzig_A11]

It still annoys me that we didn’t get the gear door sparrows on the AJ.

[tripod2008]

A bespoke mechanic, for a copy-pasted airframe that can’t get reused?

Never going to happen.

The same way the US rarely actually receives airframes that can’t (won’t) be duplicated into at least two other trees.

[MotorolaCRO]

How many hours did F-16AJ had in service for Japan ?

[tripod2008]

How is that at all relevant?

If they were to rename it F-16 FSD #2, F-16A-10 (Expeditionary), or F-16A-15OCU ( Peace Naresuan I ), and replace the roundels would that sort the issue?

[Ωκεανος]

I dont think F&F Brimstones (or F&F ground attack munitions in general) are healthy for the game, and personally believe they should be relegated to air modes only, but gaijin strictly adhering to reality with NATO at the expense of game balance, while just taking an “anything goes” attitude with the Kh-38MT and seemingly Russia in general is annoying

I agree, the game should have stayed with laser guided bombs being the most advanced A2G munition for balance’s sake

[MrBombastic8]

too late now

[MotorolaCRO]

@tripod2008

How is that at all relevant?

Is it 0 ?
Just as much as Rafale has in RU air force, or many other examples.

[maguumo]

@Ghost_of_TelAviv

I haven’t even been playing back then, didn’t they have M247 yet ?

Same patch, and bullet despawn range was caliber based, so it had more range than the 35/30/23 mm based SPAA on top of having proxy shells.

@Jεcka

So did Mi-35M but bringing that up would mean having to show that Russia had their own way of bringing down the hammer just like the US )))

The Shturms and Atakas on the Mi-35M had less range and it had a far harder time at defending itself against planes. Everyone that could went for the much stronger AH-1Z. That’s why I grinded it out at the time too.

@Jεcka

But it was ALSO Russia who received a proper counter-vehicle out of all the others first;

• 1.87 - Tunguska is added
• 1.89 - ADATS is added
• 1.89 - FlaRakPz 1 is added

And the AH-1Z was added with 1.81, a year before the first counters appeared. Talking about introduction dates, the FJ-4B VMF 232 was added in 1.79.

@Smugspite

if one particular weapon on three planes is getting a disproportionate amount of kills

Getting a disproportionate amount of kills is also a function of the plane using them getting a disproportionate amount of spawns. The Rafale isn’t really doing worse despite going up against stronger SPAA.

[csla1972]

This reminds me that we should revive the Centauro thread for Russia. xD

[PercussionCap]

@MotorolaCRO

You forgot about Ho-Ri Production which is still in the game.

1. It is not a plane, and…
2. like the R2Y2s it’ll very likely be removed shortly after the thai ground subtree is added…
   and finally 3) for that matter the Ho-Ri Prototype isn’t real either.

@MotorolaCRO

and as long as the vehicles are real, it should be fine, right ?

No, because the XF-2A was right there. Besides, japan did see the F-16A in action, much like Sweden officials and the T-80U/Mi-28. However it was and is still a poor choice.

@MotorolaCRO

38MT is pretty much the same missile as 38ML but with a different seeker type which RU already uses.

Far as I’m aware nobody has come up with evidence the seeker even exists or that it was fitted to the Kh 38M missile body.

@MotorolaCRO

How many hours did F-16AJ had in service for Japan ?

How many hours has the Kh 38 MT been in service with russia? Or the F-20 in USAF service?

[Caernarvon02]

@PercussionCap

How many hours has the Kh 38 MT been in service with russia? Or the F-20 in USAF service?

woa woa the F20 is at least real dude. don’t insult it by being in the same paragraph as a fake ruskie missile

[PercussionCap]

@Caernarvon02

woa woa the F20 is at least real dude. don’t insult it by being in the same paragraph as a fake ruskie missile

Real!

[kosthar4uk]

@csla1972

UKR-OE?

UKR-RL (the radiolocation variant), the UKR-RT (the radio-technical, or ISR, variant), and the UKR-OE (the optical-electronic variant).

[csla1972]

https://ruslet.webnode.cz/technika/ruska-technika/letecka-technika/p-o-suchoj/su-34-nvo-fullback/

[MotorolaCRO]

@PercussionCap

It is not a plane, and…

It’s a fake vehicle regardless, why does that matter ?

@PercussionCap

like the R2Y2s it’ll very likely be removed shortly after the thai ground subtree is added…

That wasn’t my point at all.
They got added to the game as complete fiction while they rejected who knows how many vehicles due to lack of evidence.

@PercussionCap

Besides, japan did see the F-16A in action, much like Sweden officials and the T-80U/Mi-28.

Just because I tried (or saw someone else using it) a new phone in the shop it doesn’t mean it’s mine. That’s a pretty lame reason for adding a vehicle to a specific nation, it’s even worse than captured vehicles and in line with adding something just because you saw it on the battlefield.

@PercussionCap

Far as I’m aware nobody has come up with evidence the seeker even exists or that it was fitted to the Kh 38M missile body.

As I said, missile’s kinematics are real and IR seekers aren’t something unfamiliar to RU, so that thing feels way more legit than most fakes we had in the game.

@PercussionCap

How many hours has the Kh 38 MT been in service with russia?

Is it 0 ?

[csla1972]

@MotorolaCRO

Just because I tried (or saw someone else using it) a new phone in the shop it doesn’t mean it’s mine. That’s a pretty lame reason for adding a vehicle to a specific nation, it’s even worse than captured vehicles and in line with adding something just because you saw it on the battlefield.

Yep you are absolutely right.

[Morvran]

@MotorolaCRO

As I said, missile’s kinematics are real and IR seekers aren’t something unfamiliar to RU, so that thing feels way more legit than most fakes we had in the game.

Then what is your stance on this?

It an ASRAAM, which is real and in service, even mounted on the same aircraft the Typhoon would be fitted too. IR seekers are something Britain is familar with. But unlike the ASRAAM has a heat warhead and intended for A2G use. But it never went beyond this mock-up

So can they add this to the Harrier Gr7/9, Tornado Gr4 and Typhoon as an FnF weapon in the absence of Brimstone ?

[csla1972]

Yes.

[Caernarvon02]

@Morvran

So can they add this to the Harrier Gr7/9, Tornado Gr4 and Typhoon as an FnF weapon in the absence of Brimstone ?

the moment I see something like that on a harrier I’m gonna need to change my underwear and trousers.

(Ill have to when ASRAAM is added anyway, this would just make the garments non recoverable)

[Morvran]

Hehe, yeah, and you can forget the M2 KH-38MT when you are raining down M4 Typhoons :D