probably lmao
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Boy, I can’t wait for the patriot batteries and towed systems to take all the room in the tank spawns 🫠
if they dont remove kh38mt, maybe tk your teamate when see him play russia jet is last plan
We will be waiting quite a fucking while then. Hell, we could have been waiting for IR AGMs since apparently Russia is also incapable of manufacturing those too lmaoooo
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But it is better by a huge margin. The Delta V on the Kh38 MT is 3 times greater, the warhead is HE which is more reliable, has 3 times more explosive filler and has IOG. I would definitely say it’s 4 times better.
I do see your argument regarding other armaments it can carry along side the mavericks but how useful are they? JDAMS and GBUs are unreliable when spaa are in the sky. You could say the same about the UMPK but with the KH38s, you could eliminate all spaa in a short amount of time and drop it.
Until other nations get better agms or at th e very least, better “secondary” A2G munitions (like the stormbreaker), Russian cas will always be superior.
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you chose the one plane that can do that (and f15i but its a copy)
all others are limited to 6 mavs and 2 gbu at most
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The Su-27 series aircraft can’t use the Kh-25 missiles
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theres no evidence they can use Kh-38MT either
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Didn’t say they could, just saying they can’t us the Kh-25
I agree that the current Brimstone and SBD aren’t as good as the Kh-38MT? I did not say otherwise.
I merely stated that Gaijin probably thinks they are analogous, given the timing of their addition.
But it is better by a huge margin. The Delta V on the Kh38 MT is 3 times greater, the warhead is HE which is more reliable, has 3 times more explosive filler and has IOG. I would definitely say it’s 4 times better.
It being faster is definitely its biggest advantage. In the past I would have agreed about the warhead, but since the AGM-65 warheads were reworked I have found them to be consistent enough for my liking (the Kh-38 is better for multikills I suppose). I would put it at 1.5-2 times better.
I do see your argument regarding other armaments it can carry along side the mavericks but how useful are they?
It’s a quality versus quantity argument. Planes that carry AGM-65’s, generally speaking, will be able to carry a larger number of inferior PGM’s, whereas planed with Kh-38’s will have a smaller number of superior PGM’s. Which one is better is a matter of personal preference, but it’s worth noting.
Russian cas will always be superior.
French CAS is very close in performance at the moment. The only thing holding them back is their lack of light tanks for spotting. I agree other nations like an AASM/Kh-38MT equivalent though, and Gaijin should think of a way to rectify this.
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then the Su34 and Su30SM go with out, if they want a FnF missile that is IIR bring the Su25SM3 I would rather the Su34 and Su30SM have worse A2G loadouts then them having fictional loadouts
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The quantity of missiles carried isn’t reflective of actual capability, but tracking down sources that prove these details is difficult, without contemporary stores loading configs. Thus is not really reportable. So it would be very possible for this to be downgraded at some point in the future without notice.
Well, technically speaking the LAU-88A/A Triple rail mounting adapter configuration for the F-16 was withdrawn in early 2000, so is erroneous for the particular configuration that is implemented in game. so it would be limited to 2x LAU-117 (Single rail adapter) per wing (also the outboard wing should only be able to accept the -65E (or -65C) as well), eating into available stations for missiles.
The F-15 (among other airframes) should be forced to Slant-Load the rails pending neighboring stores configuration of the CFT due to emergency jettison constraints. So shouldn’t be able to be loaded to the gills with ordnance.
The F/A-18 has similar issues.
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They’re also ignoring the fact that, to bring a higher quantity of ordinance to battle than the Su-30SM for example, the other jets need to sacrifice a significant portion of their air to air ordinance.
- F-15E/I can only carry 1 additional center mounted 2000lbs class munition without having to sacrifice half of its AAM load.
- F-16C/D is already running only 4 AAMs when running 6x 65D’s
- Gripen need to sacrifice all but 2 AAMs, along with all of their BOL pods just to bring 4x mavs, and that leaves it with no ARH to boot.
While technically true the Su-30SM needs to sacrifice a large number of AAM’s to carry the full 6x Kh-38MT’s, its rendered irrelevant by the fact it already carries almost double the AAM load of most other jets in-game, at 14x vs most jets 8x or less (exceptions being other flankers and the EFT, which im not even bothering bringing up in this convo since it does not have standoff OR F&F capabilities unlike everyone else).
Su-30SM carries 6x R-77-1 + 6x Kh-38MT + 2x R-73, which means that at typical CAS loadings, the Su-30SM is flying with the equivalent of all its competitors full air to air loads as well, all while having vastly superior air to ground loads.
This is also ignoring the fact that the time on station to use additional laser guided PGM’s renders their carriage effectively worthless when compared to standoff munitions like Kh-38MT and AASM IR. In the time a player takes to fire off 6 AGM-65D’s and drop 8x GBU-12’s + 1 2000lbs class centerline munition from a fully loaded F-15E, the Su-30SM will either have had time to fire off all 6 of its Kh-38MT and intercepted the F-15E, or likely have RTB’d twice, putting their equivalent strike count somewhere in the same ballpark when considering a similar period of time.
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if I remember right the Su30SM shouldnt even have the dual R-77-1 pylons on the belly since that was something on the Su35 not the Su30
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reminder there is evidence that the EFT should be able to carry an AMRAAM on the inner pylons yet still dont have it
idk if that points ever been made clear tbh.
Afaik (and I could be wrong), there has never been a Su-27 or Su-30SM with double R-77 rails. They were initially added to the Su-27SM to help it out since it had inferior AAM’s, so they wanted to give it more of them to somewhat counteract this issue. Afterwards they seem to have gone “oh boy, the community doesn’t care if we add stuff with no evidence to russian jets!” and just started giving unverified stuff out like candy it seems…
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The evidence on that point is so-so, and gaijins point of contention isnt the station, its the jets software. Unless proven the EFT’s stores management software can account for more than 6x ARH, gaijin considers it impossible, so wing root AMRAAM are a pointless addition in their eyes.
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yet russia gets dual rail pylon R-77s there is no evidence of :/
The quantity of missiles carried isn’t reflective of actual capability, but tracking down sources that prove these details is difficult, without contemporary stores loading configs. Thus is not really reportable. So it would be very possible for this to be downgraded at some point ion the future without notice.
Interesting, I was not aware of this possibility. I was commenting based on the loadouts the planes currently have access to.