The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

[maguumo]

@UnHolySausage

i told him to tell me when he fired the missile to move and as soon as he fired he told me and started moving to avoid this and yet here we are

TRACK lock range is ~13 km, 0.1° sensor FoV means at that range it’s ~23 m in diameter. You’re not moving that distance from a standstill in the time it takes the missile to travel 3 km. If it was tracking the vehicle off the rail it would say “TRACK”. That’s the purpose of that indicator.

@luque13

Its not a very good missile then if it decides to track something when I have locked it on to a target on the ground. If it’s locked to the ground it should hit the ground.

Missiles will switch from POINT to TRACK lock if a target is in their FoV. I posted a video earlier of a Maverick doing so from a ~23 km launch.

@UnHolySausage

so basically it locks the ground and as soon as it locks the ground it locks the vehicle right after i fire so its like it dosent lock the vehicle but it does at the same time

Not at the same time. Use the indicator the game gives you to determine the range you can acquire a TRACK lock at. That’s what it’s for.

[ItsOnyy]

I remember when this thread was about a missile that may not actually exist 🥀

[ueberman]

@MotorolaCRO

Missile will acquire tracking lock when it’s in range, even if it’s launched in a point lock.

thats the whole point were trying to prove??

@MotorolaCRO

Launch the missile from 20km and let him move immediately so that his vehicle isn’t in the seekers FOV when it reaches 13km away.

then it cant lock it, can it? what would that test do besides prove it has a finite FoV?

[MotorolaCRO]

@ueberman

thats the whole point were trying to prove??

But the range of a tracking lock is around 13km in almost every case, which is the point here.

[MrBombastic8]

ong🥀💔

[pooqich]

post number 5180 and still no proof of this missile being real

[ueberman]

we all seem to be talking about something else here and idk where that 13km number comes from but that just made up, ive had track locks way further then 13km.

[Kingtiez-live]

Glop of nothingness being discussed like it’ll help either way.

[MotorolaCRO]

@ueberman

ive had track locks way further then 13km.

Track locks further than 13km can happen but counting on that isn’t something you should do.
Considering you thought the thing from the clip was actually a tracking lock makes me wonder.

[ueberman]

@MotorolaCRO

Considering you thought the thing from the clip was actually a tracking lock makes me wonder.

then you didnt saw the clip or youre lying. The missile indeed didnt have a track lock when i fired it, and i never claimed that, but got one during flight, thats why you can CLEARLY see the missile following the FlakRakRad, and didnt just go straight.

[MotorolaCRO]

As I said earlier, if there’s a vehicle in it’s FoV at the moment it can establish a track lock, it will do so regardless if it was fired from 15, 20 or 30km away.
Firing outside of that constant ~13km track lock range is risky due to obvious reasons, as target can just move outside the missile’s FoV and it’s game over.

[ueberman]

thank you for the obvious, nobody denied that.

[maguumo]

Your friend did, multiple times. The entire point of this was to show a TRACK lock that matches the ranges he claimed them to be possible at.

[MotorolaCRO]

So where’s the problem actually ?

[CalvinAz]

Technically 20km isn’t even the maximum value. Similarly to tracking ranges of IR missiles (radar not sure, they may instead just be range gated) or laser acquisition ranges on SALH weapons, the value listed is some particular range for a particular scenario. Which means you can exceed the listed value as well.

Against ships for instance you can get way longer tracking ranges:

Spoiler

AGM-65A with “6km” tracking range:

[Sean74218]

What’s the point of all this conversation, generally speaking

[Morvran]

Id guess the theoretical maximum is closely tied to the Tpod ranges, which was 20km and is now 30km.

But I do wonder if CCRP allows for targets to be engaged and eventually tracked at ranges even greater.

[CalvinAz]

Honestly idk, I just occasionally read what’s new in here.

I thiiiink it had something do with the Kh-38MT IIR seeker at some point, about the tracking ranges of that thing in-game vs the kinematic range of the weapon, and how the seekrs are all the same copy paste anyway. Something like that. Otherwise all off-topic pretty much yeah.

[CalvinAz]

How does CCRP come into the equation if I may ask? TV/IIR all require a point lock at least to even be allowed off the rails, so that will the limiting factor for those weapons. And point lock seems to be roughly if not simply just limited to the max TGP range, so 30km now yea. At least I can’t seem to get a lock at all for 30km+

[Alpharius11348]

point lock is not purely restricted to TGP range, I was trying to test mav flight performance and was unable to get point lock until roughly 25km in pretty decent weather