The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

[Thenighthunter]

Yeah… No arguments here that’s why laser guided ordnance is as popular as it is. What does this have to do with not even the RU forum finding evidence?

[MrBombastic8]

there wont be any proof

[Sean74218]

No proof that the IR seeker has 25x zoom, no proof of 3rd gen thermals, no proof it can track moving targets, no proof of it being tested.

Still enough evidence for Gaijin to implement it!

[Morvran]

@Sean74218

no proof it can track moving targets

This is what started MythicPI looking into this, given the size of the warhead, range etc, there is every chance the IR version was only intended to operate with Terminal guidance similar to that of the Storm Shadow or AASM and not actually engage anything smaller than a building.

So on top of proving the IR seeker existed, would be good to get proof the IR seeker was even intended for Anti-Tank work

[UniqueScorpions]

@Morvran_

To bring this back on topic.

Did KH-38MT exist?

It looks like exclusively a mock up at this time.

I disagree.

But hey, I’m not the majority, or a non RU main, so apparently my opinion doesn’t matter, according to the rest of you. I would love to see the game be balanced off of you guys, it would be hellacious

[Alpharius11348]

@UniqueScorpions

so apparently my opinion doesn’t matter

the thing is we arent looking for opinions, we are looking for evidence

there is a big difference

[UniqueScorpions]

@MythicPi

Considering this, here is a poll, just to gauge what the community thinks of these findings and what should be done about it:

What should be done with the Kh-38MT in-game considering the information provided above?

• Remove it from the game!
• Keep it in the game!

If someone has additional proof the Kh-38MT does or has in fact existed operationally, please do provide the proof of it in the comments!

@Alpharius11348

@UniqueScorpions

so apparently my opinion doesn’t matter

the thing is we arent looking for opinions, we are looking for evidence

there is a big difference

Pretty sure above is opinions on what to do with the KH-38 no?

[MythicPi]

Stop acting like a victim. Ppl dont take your opinion seriously because you dont actually back up any of your claims with any reliable sources.

You cant just say you disagree with the Kh-38MT likely never having existed operationally, provide no good reason as to why you disagree, then get angry when ppl don’t think your opinion is worth the pixels you’ve used to convey it.

If the ppl who believe the Kh-38MT to have existed in an operational capacity would have provided any real proof of their claim, this thread would have closed rather quickly, but you havent, and ppl are tired of it.

[Alpharius11348]

@UniqueScorpions

Pretty sure above is opinions on what to do with the KH-38 no?

we are looking for evidence to prove whether the Kh-38MT ever existed

not at all looking for opinions such as that

[UniqueScorpions]

That poll is literally an opinion, based off OP’s opinion no?

[Thenighthunter]

No all sources site the 38ML present for that not the MT. And every source points to them only using MLs nothing about an MT other than saying it was advertised as a option.

[UniqueScorpions]

@UniqueScorpions

@quartas121

They still have TV guided munitions

@Alpharius11348

Idk how people dont realize that the current kh29 is already better than mavs despite being tv guided instead of ir

If they hit more than 25% of the time I’d agree. But if you move away the TV guidance seems to not do anything, especially when every other nation has had a form of IR weapons.

Things at lower BR such as the A-4E with Walleyes and 3 Saclos guides munitions has been able to do crazy things for years, but that’s never talked about.

@MythicPi

@UniqueScorpions

especially when every other nation has had a form of IR weapons on jets.

Thats just an outright lie, almost no nations have IR weapons.

@UniqueScorpions

Things at lower BR such as the A-4E with Walleyes and 3 Saclos guides munitions has been able to do crazy things for years, but that’s never talked about.

Cuz theres a difference between an unpowered guided bomb that a jet gets ~2 of, and 6 M2.0+ missile that top attacks to avoid cover and have 3rd gen thermals to make it super easy to find targets? 😂

You literally changed my words from “a form of it weapons to: “on jets”

[MythicPi]

Nothing you’ve provided had any new information. Even the stuff you didnt provide (the sources from the conflict, which id already seen and mentionned in the original post) were also looked over by mods and they concluded the same as me; no actual new information regarding the existence of the Kh-38MT or its usage existed in the articles.

[UniqueScorpions]

A mod, not “mods”

[MythicPi]

Does look like I mistankenly altered what you said on that point. That was my mistake and I’ll fix it.

Edit: fixed

The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

Thats just an outright lie, almost no nations have IR weapons. Cuz theres a difference between an unpowered guided bomb that a jet gets ~2 of, and 6 M2.0+ missile that top attacks to avoid cover and have 3rd gen thermals to make it super easy to find targets? 😂

Im not sure how I made that mistake, and I do apoligize for it, but it doesnt actually change the point of the argument at all. All nations having IR weapons on a vehicle in general is a pointless argument for why the Kh-38MT deserves to remain in-game.

[MythicPi]

Right, hmu when more mods read the same thing both myself and a mod concluded includes no new info regarding the Kh-38MT and its usage, and comes to a different conclusion.

[UniqueScorpions]

It does have a point. Other nations lack their IR heli weapons. As a comparison, it is like evening the playing field, where Russia doesn’t have any ir ATGMs, they have an ir AGM.

Also, having to manually input “jets” is kinda sus no? Aren’t you typing on M&K?

[MythicPi]

@UniqueScorpions

It does have a point. Other nations lack their IR heli weapons. As a comparison, it is like evening the playing field, where Russia doesn’t have any ir ATGMs, they have an ir AGM.

It doesnt. A munitions capabilities is not solely related to its F&F capabilities (tho F&F is a big capability advantage). For example, Kh-38ML is still much deadlier than an AGM-65D, never mind a PARS 3LR or Spike ER, which have less than a quarter the launch range.

@UniqueScorpions

Also, having to manually input “jets” is kinda sus no? Aren’t you typing on M&K?

No, i’m usually responding on my phone, and can get lost in the quote brackets on occaision. I often edit my own posts to better reflect what I was trying to say, fix typos that annoy me, or specify potential ambiguities in my statements. It seems in this case I accidentally did so to your statement, and have since fixed it.

[Thenighthunter]

@MythicPi

@UniqueScorpions

It does have a point. Other nations lack their IR heli weapons. As a comparison, it is like evening the playing field, where Russia doesn’t have any ir ATGMs, they have an ir AGM.

It doesnt. A munitions capabilities is not solely related to its F&F capabilities (tho F&F is a big capability advantage). For example, Kh-38ML is still much deadlier than an AGM-65D, never mind a PARS 3LR or Spike ER, which have less than a quarter the launch range.

@UniqueScorpions

Also, having to manually input “jets” is kinda sus no? Aren’t you typing on M&K?

No, i’m usually responding on my phone, and can get lost in the quote brackets on occaision.

I can relate to this at times. Usually i catch it then delete the whole thing and start over but it is very annoying.

Edit: example just now i didn’t mean to quote that much jfc.

[MythicPi]

Its pretty dumb the system even allows you to modify a quote honestly.