Arguably because it is at a significantly higher BR. I would not push for removing weapons, otherwise once Brimstones are unfucked, folk will just get those removed. We really should just be suggesting the addition of counters. Arguably longer range maps + longer range sams would resolve the problem.
38s are very useful for sim air to ground, from my little foray into it recently. Would not be entirely thrilled if ground got it stolen from me.
The point is, the only nation that has ANYTHING even close to the KH-38MT in terms of performance is france with the AASM.
Su-30 and Su-34 would not suffer with only KH-38ML and KH-29 for FnF. Would still probably be the best CAS because they dont have to fight Pantsirs ever.
And Typhoon being denied its historically accurate Brimstone variant because its too OP but the Su-34 and Su-30 and Su-25 getting a fictional weapon which outperforms everything is just major bias
Except Brimstones exist.
KH-38MT doesnt.
Thats the difference though.
And the Tornado GR4 being anything higher than 11.7 means its facing against any 12.7 and soon 13.0 CAS anyway. It might as well be the same BR because its not going to change a thing
If I run a 12.3 lineup for the GR4 I will face Su-30SMs 100% of the time, I might as well run the Typhoon instead.
The F-15E is a strike aircraft, so no. Besides that I don’t get why you’re comparing it with strike aircraft, the distinction is almost artificial at top tier and you’re competing with the most viable CAS and CAP planes. Or did you mistype and were talking about the Su-25SM3 instead of the Su-30SM? I don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make.
I’d much fly an F-16C against a Pantsir than a Su-25SM against an F-16C. The F16 dictates the engagement in both scenarios, and it’s a fight it should easily win if flown by a competent pilot.
AGM-65s are worse of course, but the planes flight performance makes up for that.
Not the best CAS, but viable, sure. Not comparable to 12 Vikhrs though.
Unless I am mistaken, the 38MT’s only difference is the modular seeker being swapped for an IR seeker. Similar to the 25ML having a variant with an IR seeker. We do not have very clear documentation of either being fielded on account of how recently they’ve been pushed into production.
Su-34 more than anything else, but people make the argument the Su-34 needs KH-38MT because its a bad aircraft and it needs OP missiles to be balanced.
If that argument holds then the Tornado GR4 which was added in teh same update, should have LOAL Spear-3s
You also have the F-18 being denied AGM-84 SLAM
Pantsir costs 70 SP and the F-16C costs 700+. Thats the core difference here though.
Brimstone 1s practically are.
thats the point I was trying to make, the nerfs to the Typhoon would be the same as limiting the Su-34 and Su-30 to Vikhrs because its actual weapons are too good
So far, all evidence suggests the IR seeker was marketed and then canceled and was never even tested.
If that is enough, then we could get HEAT warhead ground attack ASRAAMs for the Harrier, Tornado and Typhoon
Purely because ground attack ASRAAMs on a harrier sound cool, I say we keep both.
If we aren’t gonna get a brimstone harrier, at least we could get this abomination.
It is a bad aircraft
Obviously, the F16 will be way more effective in everything than a pantsir.
Most Pantsir players are braindead anyway.
They are not, you can’t just turn away while firing a Vikhr, with the Brimstones you can and spaa will not hit you while doing so.
While the EF flight model got huge nerfs, it’s still way better than the SU34, idk about the SU30, haven’t played the EF a lot last few weeks.
They are bad aircraft compared to their opposition, there’s little to argue there (for the context of GRB). If that means they need the KH-38MT is up for debate, I personally don’t really care.
The F-16C is spawned anyways because the pilot wants to play CAS. It just hard counters the Su-25SM3 on top of that. The Pantsir keeps the F-16C busy, it doesn’t kill it unless the pilot misplays.
The Typhoon has amazing flight performance, the Su-30SM does not. So I don’t really see how it is comparable. The Brimstones work pretty well because they’re mounted to a plane that’s very agile and recovers energy very fast. That sort of playstyle simply doesn’t work with the Su-30SM.
Then where the hell are ASRAAM for air defence and Spear-3s for Ground attack on the Tornado GR4
They are SAL not FnF like the KH-38MT, you have to guide them onto the target still.
No point to, FM is buggy and the radar is unusable
The tornado does feel more pleasant to fly than su 30. At least in my experience, the only gripe compared is the middling weaponry, which I would like to see improved significantly. Whether or not it’s balanced, brimstones suck for convoys. But also, it is at a lower BR.
Again, I really dont get this argument, the SU-30SM is not a brick. I love how Soviets love to claim its a brick but it really isnt.
It would do fine with KH-29s and be perfectly competitive.
Typhoon being denied its ACTUAL AGMs because its got a good FM is such a joke. If the soviets had an equal FM they would still argue they should have KH-38MTs. WHICH NEVER EXISTED
By itself, not a brick. Compared to the other stuff you’re competing with, it is quite brick-ly. But at the same time, if you got close enough for that to matter I would wager there were issues before that point. It also does feel quite rubbish turning around for a second attack run on a ground target if you’re using anything rocket-adjacent.
Like I said, anything between 12.0 and 13.0 might as well be 13.0. (11.7 to 12.7 until the BR changes come in)
It makes no difference.
I’ve been playing my 11.7 lineup at the moment, with The Tornado GR1, every single match im encountering Typhoons, Rafales and Su-30SMs. It makes no difference that its an 11.3 aircraft.
And if there is a Pantsir and I have PGMs, I cant do anything anyway because the Pantsir just shoots them all down long before they even get close to the target.
Relevant to ground, I would put the tornadoes down in BR.
But relevant to air, makes sense the armament is worse compared to the BR placement. Though I would probably bring the payload much closer to su 34 than it currently is. I can only really comment on air modes air to ground rubbish, I find ground to be insufferable on account of them refusing to fix the initial freezing on Linux when you get into a ground match.
Id rather give the Tornado GR4 its missing ASRAAM and FnF Brimstone 1s or SAL Brimstone 2s and actually have a reason to use it over the Typhoon than to drop it down to 12.0 to justfiy its current loadout. Would need to be 11.7 before it was worthy of its current loadout
Compared to what? Typhoon and Rafale (also F-15E and F-16C, but that’s less relevant I suppose) bleed significantly less speed in turns and accelerate better. So yes, compared to them the Su-30SM is a brick, or at least becomes one after one turn. That’s not suitable at all for the Brimstone gameplay that requries you to stay low and turn a lot. After the first two turns the Su-30SM goes 800 kph and then takes half a minute to get back up to speed.
It’s balancing. Also there isn’t really anything they could add that’s not gamebreaking unless I’m missing something.