The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

No, it’s a reason, but you can see that’s it’s in a completely separate sentence that is disconnected from the one where I’m calling the weapon OP.

You latched onto it, put 2 + 2 together and made it equal 5 just so you could say I claimed it’s OP because it can get kills quickly, even AFTER I clarified later on that it isn’t the only or sole reason why I think the weapon is OP. You never even asked me to expand on why I think it’s OP, you just assumed my initial post gave all the info you needed to strawman me and went for it.

So anyways, you’ve won this internet argument, you managed to argue against a point made only by you, and you defeated the pretend argument, good for you :>

edit: btw, this is enough off-topic now tbh, i’m ending the fun here (not to hurt your feelings or anything, cus you’ve done that yourself).

So you’re writing a post with two sentences, one calling the weapon OP and one stating that someone got 6 kills in 15 seconds. And the reader is supposed to believe that these two statements are disconnected, completely seperate and unrelated to each other? That doesn’t make any sense and isn’t how language works.
If you’re trying yourself out as an absurdist author you should put a disclaimer below your posts, otherwise people might get the idea that they’re supposed to be coherent.

Anyone arguing they KH-38MT is balanced is kinda insane and if they think that it is balanced, then they should have no issue with the Typhoon getting Meteor missiles. But just in case anyone doesn’t understand, let me explain.

When the Su-25SM3 was added, most nations did not have a top tier SPAA that could effectively defend against an Su25 firing KH-29s, let alone KH-38s. Thankfully cap did hard counter the Su25SM3 fairly quickly when they added ARH but it was still a bad decision to add it in the first place without adding Pantsir equivalents to everyone first. Heck 2 nations don’t even have a top tier SAM, period.

then they add the Su-34, in the same update that they made a big song and dance about the Brimstone being too OP and unfair on the other teams because they wouldn’t be able to fight back. The sheer hypocrisy was actually painful. Compared to aircraft like the Tornado, the Su34 is a highly capable aircraft and able to defend itself just fine. Still no Pantsir level SPAA were added.

Then they added the Typhoon with a variant of the Brimstone it never used instead of the variant it did actually use which would have had comparable kinematics to the KH-38, but nope, was considered too OP to give the Typhoon a comparable missile because it would outrange things too much. Though the Rafale did get the AASM which is the closest we’ve gotten to a KH-38 alternative, only 9 months later.

Then they added the Su30SM, and even more capable aircraft and a true multirole, still has KH-38MTs and the F-18C added alongside it doesn’t even get it’s comprable weapon in the form of the AGM-84 SLAM. No nation has gotten a better SPAA yet

The KH-38 is fast, has a huge warhead and has the longest range. It even has IOG which nullifies smoke greatly. No SPAA can be used to defend against except maybe the Pantsir which it never faces.

Now it turns out it’s a paper weapon, is just a further insult to injury

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tbh funny, since it got raised a lot quite quick

couldnt be put any better way, yet I can already see into the future when I look back here in an hour your gonna have 2 to 3 messages from a particular set of people that will try and claim your wrong. I’m willing to bet by either saying there are already fake vics in game or that asking for brimstones makes you worse.

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Because it was seeing downtiers where it didn’t face ARH

Or that Brimstones are better cus they’re on a better platform. Atp there needs to be a bingo-card for arguments Kh-38MT defenders use.

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I can’t wait for them to justify why the GR4 can’t get Brimstone 2s but the Su-30SM needs something stronger than a KH-29

Because not all vehicles have the same requirements for their A2G ordnance to make them viable ?

That’s like saying why doesn’t tank A get darts (and is stuck with something else for example) if tank B gets it at the same BR.

Gaijin appends BR on vehicles as a whole, their weapons are just the part of the equation.

im about ARH spawn cost

Oh right, yeah, why AAMa cost anything is just hilarious and criminal

Su-25SM3 never needed MTs to be viable, it was already good enough in its primary strike aircraft role with just MLs, as we can see by dozens of videos on youtube ;)

Same story with Su-34 & 30SM, because god forbid they’ll have to put in more effort (while still sitting outside of enemy SPAA coverage) into getting kills.

Oh, worried about CAP? Dw, I am too in my EFT, everyone is. Difference is you’ll still get 4 to 6 kills before a CAP jet gets you, and I have a good chance of getting none.

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Then let’s just give the Su-30SM 12x Vikhrs as it doesn’t need anything more than that

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Thanks for sharing your opinion but I disagree.

Easy to ignore people’s arguments when you just “disagree” with them tbh.

You’re in constant denial, but you’re biased so that’s to be expected.

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Its clear that there are propaganda purposes to all of this modern russian stuff, especially when they were popularized by a certain situation happening in real life. Things like the 38MT and Pantsir are so on the nose i really cant think of any other explanation…

That’s a decent change, as not everything needs to have everything. 30SM without IR missiles would be fine.

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It’s the least agile top tier fighter and dumps all its speed in two turns. F-15E/I, F-16C/A OCU, Typhoon and Rafale all run circles around it. Not a great platform to use beamriding AGMs from.

I don’t really get the complaints about the timeline. The Su-25SM3 was added way after the F-16C was already in game, which could do CAS just as good while also being able to fly CAP.
9 months or whatnot is also not really a long time for something to be “OP” (and I’d argue that the Su-25SM3 never was, but anyways) on the scale of this game. HVARs on Sabres were the best CAS by far for more than a year, it took half a year to add an SPAA that could shoot the AH-1Z down, it took more than a year to add some sort of equivalent to the FJ-4B VMF 232 and so on.

and?

Still outperforms any Strike aircraft by a million miles in terms of FM.

Why does it need KH-38MT or even KH-38MLs when something like the Tornado Gr4 only has SAL brimstone 1s or PGMs

Because the Pantsir existed for 2 years and most nations lacked the SPAA performance to do anything against a Su-25 firing KH-29s and yes ,they also lacked the performance to deal with an F-16, but at least an F-16 had to defend against a Pantsir most of the time and that could and actually fight back rather well and AGM-65s have a fraction of the performance a KH-38 has, if nothing else, AGM-65 does not have IOG, which means smoke is a hard counter. KH-38… it will still kill 75% of the time.

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