The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

[Smugspite]

well considering the Storm Shadow is only considered partial stealth

[Beeschurger]

@F-16D_Barak_II

With the exception of the AGM-65D’s thermals

I mean sure, they have thermals, but i think its important to mention their zoom level (there isnt any)

[Silversting]

@Smugspite

ive also seen storm shadows fly right past pantsirs and S-300s that couldnt even track them lol

And I saw how Pantsir shoots down these missiles. But what does your message mean?

[Smugspite]

the point is that modern air defence isnt invincible and strikes from planes can still very much hit front line or even rear line units in the modern day

[Silversting]

@quartas121

Either the Russian radars really suck, or the stealth on western cruise missiles is really good

I’ve seen a lot of footage of Iskander destroying Patriots. Does that mean the Patriot is bad or is Iskander too stealthy?

[F-16D_Barak_II]

It’s not that bad

[dotSHINI]

yet again another troll post, there is a render of a typhoon with 14 meteor missles !
Means it must exist!

[ARK_BOI]

Maybe even Leopard 3 exist

[quartas121]

M1A4 when?

[Beeschurger]

@F-16D_Barak_II

It’s not that bad

Thats debatable.

[UnHolySausage]

according to this render MGCS already exists

[ARK_BOI]

Hm seem justified enough to be in the game according to Gaijin standard nowadays.

[Sternlos]

@TankistRazumist

I do not know why there is so much hate towards the Kh-38.

Because when combined with 15km air spawns it enables an unpunishable zombie playstyle where you just spawn in, immedietly go into tv seeker, and launch all 6, and just accept the fact you are dead in ~15 seconds to spaa/fox 3. Thats how I play it.

Why on earth would i spawn in and start defensive flying and whatever else, waste a bunch of time, when i can just spawn in and sling 6 kh38 and get 3-5 kills and a free ride back to my next tank spawn in less than 30 seconds?

[ARK_BOI]

@Sternlos

immedietly go into tv seeker, and launch all 6, and just accept the fact you are dead in ~15 seconds to spaa/fox 3. Thats how I play it.

Yeah i did CAP for years against Russia I only have like 5sec to kill them after they spawn to prevent them from killing any teammate some times 5sec considering as too slow missile already out nothing i can do.

[Sternlos]

Ya this whole thread is giant cope about the missile when the bigger problem is top tier maps are balanced around cold war dumb bombers at best. Move the damn airspawn bsck to like 40km and now CAP can actually intercept and spaa can AT LEAST be prepared for your arrival.

[ARK_BOI]

@Sternlos

giant cope about the missile when the bigger problem is top tier maps

Maybe both missile and map missile still had no evidence of it existence i mean gaijin add unreal stuff to fill the gap for nation that really need all the time for balance yes but MT probably not the case
It fake unnecessary need and it add not for balance reasons instead it broke it.

[An_Pigeon]

@maguumo

And the discussion around the Brimstone started because I wanted to point out the hypocrisy of a poster that wants the KH-38MT removed because it is uncertain if it ever existed and overpowered while at the same time asking for a version of the Brimstone that would either be borderline useless (short range of the onboard radar), made up (giving the onboard radar a range it can’t possibly achieve) or overpowered (LOAL)

the current iteration of brimstones are both A-historical and useless as far as I’ve seen.
Theres no hypocracy for trying to get them made even a fraction of what they should be.
If its too strong for the game, then remove them and replace it with mavericks, the games historical accuracy is a dumpster fire ragardless.

However the brimstones have at least technical documentation to go with them oppose to as far as we can see paper missile.

@maguumo

Because it still requires the missile to lock on to the target after launch, it cruises to the target without a lock for most of its flight path using its INS and targeting data of the lauch platform. The entire point of this discussion and example was that the Brimstone can’t possibly work at relevant ranges unless you give it its LOAL capability. If that’s for locking a pre programmed target or searching for targets in an area doesn’t matter to the missile, it has to lock on to what it is intended to hit in the last couple kilometers of its flight.

An Pigeon:

Again my point, and other peoples points are thusly.

• due to the A-historical nature of how modern tech is implemented why not give brimstones a form of FnF capability regardless of IRL capabilities
• We have planes like su 30, Su34 and Su25s armed with missiles that aren’t even proven to have functionally existed, so why not give the Brims an A historical FnF, even similar to that of a damn maverick would make them functional.
• limit the quantity if such system is implemented.

[An_Pigeon]

@Smugspite

he never asked for both at the same time? he asked if the KH-38MT isn’t going to be removed then for balance the brimstone and other nations equivalents should be added to the game with FnF

you are also really stuck on the LOAL concept huh? I have a question how do you think mode 2 works because ill give you a hint its probably similar to how current IR weapons work in game where launched past a certain range they aren’t actually tracking the tank and are just heading in that direction. Guess what? IR can just as easily switch targets if a warmer heat source is in its FOV before activation so the whole “but MMV will track the wrong target” can already happen and is just used as an excuses to try and claim the missile is unreliable and shouldn’t be in the game

Exactly my point as well

[maguumo]

@An_Pigeon

the current iteration of brimstones are both A-historical and useless as far as I’ve seen.

The SALH Brimstone I is the first version of the Brimstone ever fired in anger (both in general and by the UK).

@An_Pigeon

• due to the A-historical nature of how modern tech is implemented why not give brimstones a form of FnF capability regardless of IRL capabilities
• We have planes like su 30, Su34 and Su25s armed with missiles that aren’t even proven to have functionally existed, so why not give the Brims an A historical FnF, even similar to that of a damn maverick would make them functional.
• limit the quantity if such system is implemented.

Your argument is that if weapons and/or vehicles that might not have existed in real life stay in game they might as well give the Brimstone a made up mode that couldn’t work that way in reality? Sure, why not, at least that’s consistent.

[An_Pigeon]

@maguumo

I fail to see the point you’re trying to make? Many munitions don’t have all their capabilities in game. Spike, PARS 3 LR, AGM-62 ER, AGM-130 and probably some others are all missing their datalink/LOAL capability for example.

all these missiles missing functionalities while the KH38MT has yet to have been proven real, or false.
Theres not enough evidence for it to even be in the game never mind as strong as it is.