No. The question of the KH-38MT is if the Russians ever bothered to put an IIR seeker on the KH-38. We know that IIR seekers can work at the ranges they do currently in game. In fact they often work at ranges beyond that in reality.
The target moving or not doesn’t really change anything about the diffraction limit of the seeker.
it does.
theres simply more modes to track you can use(MTI). which has more range
That doesn’t change the diffraction limit either, but you’re right, it would allow you to discriminate targets against clutter at a higher range. Does the Brimstone have an MTI mode? Even if so, it probably won’t quadruple the detection range. And without LOAL functionality the missile would just lose track and self destruct every time your target stops moving.
gaijin literally gave it that because Su-34 has bad optics and they wanted it to be OP, there is absolutely no reason or sources to imply a fictional missile has better optics than many targeting pods
Brimstone doesnt have any issue tracking moving or stationary targets. The resolution of the seeker is such that it produces near optical quality images with its MMW seeker, which is able to not only locate ground vehicles, but identify them and allow the missile to target a specific part of that target to maximise damage.
How Gaijin is going to implement MMW is unknown. Mode 3 (full LOAL) is perhaps going to be too strong no matter what, but Mode 2 should be more than enough to engage grounds targets just like any IR seeker can currently. Throw in Brimstone 2 as well, and we even match the range performance of the KH-38MT.
But this is off-topic now and this thread should be entirely about whether or not the Thermal seeker on the KH-38MT ever existed, I have yet to see any evidence beyond mockups and given the lack of any meaningful competition for the KH-38MT, it should never have been added in the first place
Odd, the first time I ever encountered them was with the EF addition, I was not aware the ASSTA1, (which is supposedly a 3 per smin?) ever had them. All the way back in the apex predators update too.
As you said, goes to show how prolific they were since I don’t think I ever saw them used beyond recently.
Does raise the question of why more aircraft don’t have LJDAMS given its been a bit, but thats a question for another thread.
Tornado ASSTA1 never stood any meaningful chance of getting them off so long as there was either a Pantsir or any form of ARH armed CAP up.
despite some of the ones in game being US made, the only US plane with any of them is f18C, which came multiple updates after they were added and in the meantime despite accepted bug reports on their use by other planes gaijin has refused to add them to other US air.
that includes av-8b+ which they can absolutely not say doesnt have them for balance reasons even more so with the massive SP increase for thermal mavs
I love how they have no issue with KH-38MTs but consider GBUs OP at top tier. But yeah, this is a matter for another thread
Why is this message now #135… It was 975 when I posted it…
lot of stuff got flagged and deleted
RIght i read about 400 - 1000 comments n still cant see if this missle actually was real or not.
The fact is, if it can’t be proven to have been real, why is it in the game?
That can of worms can extend to sooo many vehicles both ground and air.
Genuinely confused as to why this missile was added if theres such little information about it.
Dont really care about how it performs in game, I find all top tier cas to be a pain in the ass, however wheres the proof its an actual real missile
and if it cant be proved then they either need to remove it, or bring stuff like brimstone 2 in with some form of FnF
It’s the way they censor on this forum. not new. If a group disagrees they flag it and it gets removed.
Did anyone tell the people building radar and optical telescopes that the diffraction limit is apparently not a limit anymore? I’m sure they’d like to know, they can save billions if they no longer need those ridiculously big mirrors/radar reflectors.
That would still require LOAL, and the target selection would no longer require relevant user input, the radar does all of that for you.
It’s a great example to point out the hypocrisy some people display, especially since the guy I replied to wants the KH-38MT removed while at the same time asking for an implementation of the Brimstone that breaks physics.
Yeah. I have no idea what they were thinking.
But I do think that ontop of the lack of evidence for it, why it was ever added to begin with just on the grounds of balance is really wierd. Especially when the soviets were also the only nation with meaningful SAM defence as well and the closest thing to an equal is the AASM which was added 9 months later.
and they wont even add SAL-Brimstone 2s which would at least match the performance of a KH-38ML.
All their talk of “loadouts are a balancing tool” the KH-38MT raises a lot of questions. Then when you find out it was likely a paper weapon and their total refusal for even a placeholder seeker for the Brimstone or AGM-114L… Is just infuriating
because its more common to bring typhoon to top tier than a tornado as the tornado is lacking in a lot of places compared to a much superior platform that is EF.
No, not all the way back then. What happened is that ASSTA1 had only GBU16 and GBU24 paveways available to it as a form of A2G ordinance. With the Firebirds update it has received a new modification in its modification tree which was an “upgrade” to ASSTA3, all this did was that it let the ASSTA1 (now technically ASSTA3) use 6 small LJDAMs instead of only the paveways that were available.
not a lot of aircrafts use them. Bundeswehr uses them a fair bit which you can read about here. I dont really know why the typhoon has them as its mainly used by tornado but ill just chuck it up to the gaijins decision to unify the typhoon A2G ordinance that they have decided on when they added EFT into the game.
Are you claiming the Brimstone doesnt exist?
What? the brimstone missile IRL is one hell of a missile, in game its essentially a useless missile compared to the likes of even a maverick.
The KH38MT seems like it didn’t even exist.
bit of a massive distinction there mate.
N btw where u getting a 3km range for it from?
Hes claiming it has to break physics to be FnF essentially.
When IRL its got about a 30km range on a non moving target and it says on the munitions page for it about 12km for moving. sooo