The burden of proof lies with the party making the assertion.
So provide a proof that KH38MT does not exist.
If you can’t - case closed.
Whataboutism isn’t necessary nor appropriate. It’s also off topic.
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wrong thread for that buddy
I dont care about the tornado, this is Kh38 thread, and to prove Kh38MT is able to be used by Su30SM you have to bit better than “it can use Kh38MLs” or “prove it cant use MT”
Which is why pretty much everyone here is waiting for gaijin to say something about where they got the information that the Kh38MT exists beyond the mockup at MAKS and that the Su30/34/SM3 have fielded it. Kh38ML has been seen on Su34 in the current conflict that cant be said or the mods delete the comment, but MT as far as people have talked about in here hasnt been seen beyond a brochure and the mockup on MAKS
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What you are asking is impossible. you cannot prove non-existence.
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Honestly its ridiculous what they are demanding
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As was stated before. It’s literally impossible to prove a negative. The missile exist, the seeker probably exist. If it does exist, how many do they even have? It’s literally on the realms of classified info by now, and is probably a crime to get that information out
Yeah but that’s not entirely how it works. Reasonable suspicion that the KH38MT was never mounted and much less test fired were given. But unless you have access to all the information on the planet at the same time, you can’t prove it doesn’t exist. Moreover, gaijin’s standards have been explained to be that a weapon/vehicle would only be added if it existed and could be carried by a certain vehicles. It’s was done for a vast majority of the equipment added, and some equipments are still not added to this day because not enough information might have been given to the devs. In the case of the KH30MT, there is no trace of the source that would have proven that the KH38MT was ever used, much less that either the SU34 or SU30SM ever used them
When reasonable suspicions are given, sometimes it’s enough to warrant the other party to have to prove that said thing exist. In the case of the KH38MT, I think there is a compelling argument.
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Then I don’t see the point in this topic at all. It was created in order to remove one single weapon from the game. At the same time, attempts to draw attention to the fact that there are many such weapons in the game are called “whataboutism”. It’s not about making rules or trying to follow the rules, it’s about playing against them.
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Thats better than the handbag arguments that have been going on here, because what started as what was honestly an innocent information request has gone to this
-KH38 does not exists!
-Ok? Proof please
-OMG it’s ridiculous they demand proof
Thats basically this whole topic
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I mean if we bribed the right officials, maybe you can get that info out, still illegal to get that info though lol
There hasnt been any assertions made. The thread discusses the current available information, alongside my opinion that considering said information it is LIKELY the Kh-38MT does not exist in a fully functionnal capacity.
The goal of this thread is not to prove that it does not exist, its actually to try to find evidence that it does, and therefore justification for it actually being in-game.
Inability to provide proof of the operational existence of the Kh-38MT should be grounds for its removal, so the onus is on you and all your friends or the gaijin devs who believe it does in fact exist in an operational capacity to prove your assertion of said fact.
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Then you stance should be “other weapons exists within the game on the same or similar basis, as such i have no issues with the missile being in the game” alternatively “I have no issues with weapons of this level of known existence being in the game if the DEV’s have what they believe is a good reason for it”.
Bringing up specific other weapons and starting discussions around them and their capabilities or level of existence is the whataboutism.
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Ye, that’s what they’re doing…
So when did Gaijin say they won’t add any more fake things from that point on ?
Around the time they’d removed the Panther II, the Coelian, and the Tiger II (105) from the game.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Saying that doesn’t make it any less true, but whatever makes you sleep easier at night shrug.
No it’s not.
It very much is, the settings aren’t comparable.
You forgot to compare platforms that are using said missiles which now you’re conveniently doing for tanks lmao.
And this is why they aren’t comparable. Regardless of platform, the Kh-38MT still is the fastest, the longest ranged, the most hard-hitting PGM-like weapon in War Thunder, nothing else comes close. A Hammer or AGM-65 even when fired from vastly superior platforms are nowhere near the level of the 38MT in terms of “balance”. I am PRETTY SURE somebody posted a comparison chart like last day, and it showed that the used platform doesn’t matter in the slightest, cus even when fired at 500kph, the MT is still so stupidly superior to everything else, that it being in a game is an insult to the playerbase.
So are other planes with Hammers and 65Ds.
You’re somewhat I suppose, Hammers might be getting nerfed soon tho, and 65Ds are still far infedrior to MTs
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I really doubt Gaijin is gonna remove or even address this. What are you guys gonna do? Find another game? Lol
If they’re gonna keep it though, I really hope they give it the same treatment as the hammer in the nerf department. If the hammer gets nerfed
oh, and we have lot of prove Brimstone in the game should have mmW seeker FnF too
then where it is? should be in the game by now
compare to KH-38MT it even more real it used in combat it has tons of document to back it up what it can do it have picture what it carries by actual jet
where are KH-38MT prove of its existence combat use or picture of the aircraft it carries?
Because what you ask is not “ridiculous”, its quite literally impossible.
So for everyone here:
Stop asking for something that can’t be done as your argument.
The mere fact of lack of evidence of existence IS inherently the “proof of non-existence” as non-existence is the de facto default.
You can only prove things one way, not the other.
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Yes! They should.
Now, back to the topic