Well ofc not yet, but by the time it hopefully receives such weaponry we’ll have much higher BR jets anyway. I’m not saying it should get them now, but someday. At the very least it could get the I-Derby now (since it’s still copy paste Derby atm), and the Python 4 whenever that arrives for aircraft.
py4 would still make it a way higher BR than it is rn on account of having far better IRCCM than the current missiles do afaik
It’s strong yes, but if it arrives so will plenty of other missiles, boosting those aircraft up in BR as well. If anything adding it to this jet would put it at 13.7 at most, and I would theorize other jets going up to 15.0 by then. It only gets 4 of them too, it wouldn’t be the most broken thing in the ARH meta…
From other people, ive been hearing it has the wrong rwr, and no maws or lws that it historically had. Id much rather see those before slaping it with I-Derby ERs or Python-4s.
I don’t even see 15.0 happening by christmas this year
this wouldnt matter because the current rwr is excellent from what I see, you’d either just go from excellent to excellent or it would be a nerf
I’m not saying that the SPS-200 is bad, but it’s +30 years older than the SPS-20 (V), and the BR +13’s RWRs are excellent, much more so than the Kfir.
What would it change
Whats wrong with the Kfir C10s RWR?
Looks pretty good to me from a quick test flight. On par with things like the FA2 and looks a LOT stronger than something like the Viggen Dis
I’ll give you an example. I play a lot of Sim Battles. In several games against the Su-30, it always sees me first, and I’ve lost. I don’t want to say that based on those experiences, the SPS-200 is bad, but I’m one of those who believes that if Gaijin claims its vehicles are based on historical accuracy and faithful details, then that’s what I propose. The current RWR (SPS-20(V)) of the Kfir is even faster and more accurate than the one it has, so that changes everything, at least in that sense. But is just my opinion because It’s my favorite vehicle and I want to see it competitive and based in real life, not better than other vehicles.
Well, first thigns first, you are using a 13.0 vs 14.0. So that might be an issue . Also the same is true in the Typhoon FGR4 at the moment.
That is a more reasonable argument, but a bug report would be needed and that would require sources. What does the new RWR add though? (that is actually modeled in game?)
Im not really sure any of that is modeled in-game currently. At least I dont think you would necessarily notice any difference.
Yeah, I get that, trust me I have been fighting tooth and nail for several British things to get fixed (and they arent) though. Kfir C10 vs Su-30SM to be competitive is unlikely anytime soon. Gaijin wants it at 13.0 and so its loadout will reflect that. You’d fair better comparing it against things like the Viggen Di and Sea Harrier FA2 in terms of “balance”.
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The SPS-20(V) will be on the new Mig-29 Sniper (at least that’s the latest I know), also, regarding the Kfir C10’s BR, I have no problem with its modification, in fact, when the I-Derby-ER and Python 5 missiles are added it will go up, that’s why more modern avionics (like the Colombian Kfir actually has) will be necessary. Many people say that it would not be good to add this to the Kfir because it is “fine” like that, I think it SHOULD be faithful to reality.
In that case, then yeah, its an easy add. I’ve been trying to get the FRS1 (SQV) to get an upgraded RWR, especially ever since the AV-8S (Late) at the same BR got basically the same RWR last major.
Eh… It probably wont. They may add another version for the TT (like they did for the F3 into the F3 late) but there are plenty of examples where aircraft were limited in their loadout for the sake of maintaining a BR. It will probably remain at 13.0 with the current loadout. Maybe getting Python-4s, that is about it I can see for it.
Kfir C10 (late) for the TT with those missile would also be the most sensible option.
I do also get this. But its not always a good thing, remember that for example the Kfir C10 with Python 5 and I-Derby-ER would likely be facing Typhoons with ASRAAM and Meteors. It is rather heavily outgunned with only 4 missiles.
There are more than a few examples of aircraft that could get upgrades (like Tornado Gr1 did use Aim-9Ms and Jaguar Gr1 did use Aim-9Ls) but I wouldnt want them to get it, because the aircraft performs so much better at the lower BRs (yes mud mover is a different entirely, but principle is sound)
So, equipment and avionics. definetly should be accurate, but loadout… There is an argument to be had to keeping it at 13.0 where it seems to perform rather well. Than being 14.0 + where it might be hopelessly outmatched. At worst, add best of both worlds and do an F3/Viggen D and keep one at 13.0 and add another at 14.0+
You’re right my friend, in many cases the Kfir C10 is an interesting vehicle because it won’t be the strongest in the top tier, but we forget about the mechanics necessary for the inclusion of the most modern armament for aircraft in the game (for example EW and ECM) - that’s the big difference. I think the easiest thing would be to add the armament to the existing Kfir and increase its Br, another aircraft is impossible because look at the radar, that makes it the most modern version of the Kfir in the game. I don’t know much about the British TT but I know that Typhoon needs the Radar in its best version, in that case it makes sense (maybe because it’s the first version of it in the game) but in the Kfir C10 it’s the only way.
That would certainly help, but again, it wouldnt necessarily be in a vacuum, whatever it faces would have equal or maybe even better,
Again, doesnt necessarily preclude anything.
Only difference between the F3 and the F3 Late is the Aim-9Ms and Aim-120Bs. The rest of the airframe is identical. The Viggen DI has a different cockpit (or at least is meant to) and Aim-120Bs instead of Skyflash. But ultimately, the only difference between the 2 airframes is the weapons. Same Radar, RWRs and CMs on both. So it wouldnt be the first time.
(in the viggens case especially, the VIggen D upgrade was primarily to add Aim-120 to the airframe. So they had to add the Viggen Di so that they could leave the Viggen D with an (ahistorical) Skyflash DF fit at 12.0 and add another Viggen D with Aim-120 at 13.0)
Was the best solution imo
Im fearing that we’ll get a second Typhoon for CAPTOR-E in years+ time.
In fact, the Kfir C10 is rated 13 Br due to its armament when it was included, but the truth is it should be higher Br because the missiles I mentioned before are not yet available. Anyway, my friend, I’ve done a lot of research on the Kfir and will continue fighting to make it a decent vehicle in the game I love. I also want you to know that I will support all the players who defend their favorite vehicles, like you, with arguments that I will also research so that the snail listens to us and we fully enjoy the game we invest our free time in. Thanks for listening, bro. This thread will continue.
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I am in favour of the kfir c.10 blk 60 getting its LWS, MAWS, EEGS, Spice A2G ordinace and the correct RWR. However the I-Derby ER would force it up in BR, against objectively better planes like the gripen, F-15C, Su-30, rafale, etc. Missiles like the python 4 or 5 would make the aircraft suffer in the current climate due to the aforementioned BR increase, even though the missiles themselves are good. Its the fact that you cant carry a lot of them that really lets down the plane.
Maybe if the game was decompressed by a few BRs, then the I Derby ER could be added to the jet, but it is not a wise idea at the moment. If the Kfir C.10 Blk 60 had the ability to carry more missiles - at least 2 more - then i would agree, but sadly it cannot. The only upgraded Mirage III/V platform that i can think of that could carry more than 4 is the Cheetah C, which theoretically can carry 5.
Why does the rwr matter? They’re literally the EXACT same rwr in game.
in files the ONLY difference is the name
I don’t know why you understand the increase in BR in par with the missiles, look at this: Currently the Kfir also faces the Gripen, Su-30, Rafale, etc. These planes also do not have the top missiles (Aim9x, Iris t, Meteor, Aim120C, etc.) When they add these missiles for all these planes, will their BR also increase? So when they include these missiles, they should also include the P5 and the Derby ER to the Kfir (Israel planes) because if not instead of “staying at the BR” it will go down, I think it will be the same. But the nice thing will be that the Kfir C10 will be complete and historical (at least in armament)
Bro, if that’s true, the SPS-20 will be better for one reason: This RWR belongs to the ECM suite. If you look at the Kfir brochure, it will tell you it has a full suite, but the SPS-200 is very old. I’m surprised they’re equal in gameplay, even though one is more modern than the other