Before we argue if it should get Derby ER or not, do we have definitive proof that it mounted them?
Yes, it used the I-Derby ER, I-Derby, Python 5, and Python 4 in Colombian service. In fact it never even used the Python 3.
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I don’t know, 2/3 of the time I am getting uptiered to 14.0BR anyway.
I usually always see Tyhoons and Rafales so I don’t think any increase in BR would be an issue.
Since I can’t really win any engagement against a competent Rafale or EF pilot in a dogfight with the Kfir (You can obviously win if you are the better pilot, but given equal skill they simply outclass you by miles) giving it better weaponry certainly would help with it facing the top dogs.
It doesn’t even have IRCCM missiles…
The thing is, the Kfir C10 that we got is the ultimate evolution of the Kfir C10… Gaijin didn’t even add the original C10 variant, just went for the final C10
Yes, in fact it is very easy to find them, the acquisition of these missiles by Colombia for the Kfir C10 was years ago and it was not a secret to anyone, the Kfir C10 is a Colombian version and is still in service, in fact it can carry more things, such as Griffin bombs or Phyton 5 of course why it does not have these things I am not complaining, I would only think to give it a better radar missile given the small amount it can carry, there are fruntes such as:
I-Derby ER orders and deliveries
The Colombian Air Force (FAC) acquired the I-Derby ER missile to equip its Israel Aerospace Industries’ (IAI) KFIR aircraft, as part of its KFIR upgrade programme in October 2017.
India test-fired I-Derby ER missile from a Tejas light combat aircraft (LCA) in Goa in April 2021, marking the Tejas LCA’s improved beyond visual range capabilities. India purchased the I-Derby ER missiles from Israel in 2020 under emergency mode during the India-China stand-off in the Galwan valley.
you’re right, almost all of my games have pairings against EF2K RAFALE or f15E
I don’t know, 2/3 of the time I am getting uptiered to 14.0BR anyway.
sure but if you were a higher br, youd be seeing 14.0 75-90% of the time instead of 50-66% of the time
It doesn’t even have IRCCM missiles…
you have 4 missile pylons, carry 4 derbys. who needs IR missiles, you have arguably the best radar in the game, if you find the derbys are not working, fire 1 at a time and maintain hard lock
Since I can’t really win any engagement against a competent Rafale or EF pilot in a dogfight with the Kfir
you should not be getting the chance to get into a dogfight with anyone, let alone a rafale or EF, fire your 4 missiles then RTB, defas are miserable at this BR and you dont even get EEGS
And why would that change anything? You still face those planes more often than not anyway.
It’s the best Kfir there is and it is limited to only 4 missiles in an environment where most planes can carry 6-8 or even 10.
Oh so you mean the Kfir is supposed to get absolutely dunked on by the EF every single match without any chance? Because the EF and Rafale get into a better position, fire longer ranges missiles and will chase you down on your way to base.
Its a unique plane and if it wasn’t the final form of itself I wouldn’t want the BR raised but another one added with better weaponry. But since is the ultimate form this is the onlyone to receive said weapons.
Let’s make this the plane it actually is, give it the weapons it can actually use and let it fight contemporary aircraft. The radar is good enough for that, it just needs the missiles to be competitive even at top tier.
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if it goes up in br, you won’t be able to fight 12.0 ever, 12.0 games may be rare in the thing, I get them about 1 in 5 games, but they are so fun.
If it goes up in BR, the difference between it and the eurofighter will only be more visible,
absolutely I would love if they added another version with new missiles instead of adding them to the current one but they probably won’t so I personally would rather they dont add them at all because eventually we’ll get 15.0 and I definitely don’t want to fight them in a Kfir
I support the idea of the Python 4 and i-Derby, as long as Gaijin includes everything needed for missiles of the power of the i-Derby ER and even the Python 5 fullsphere. The Python 4 would be a great replacement for the P3, which are very poor countermeasures.
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No friend, the 3 developments that exist are Derby, i-Derby and i-Derby ER
And now there’s also the upcoming Sky Spear! Hopefully we’ll see it finish development soon and make some sales, really wanna see how well it does…
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Do you have any source that differentiates Derby and I-Derby?
Well, the truth is I based it on Wikipedia, but it’s very difficult to find the differences on the Rafael Systems main page. But it can be here too.
I cannot find the Rafael document anymore (maybe in archives), but other sources do say it is pretty much the I-Derby ER but without the extended booster, and just like the ER, the normal I-Derby has a better seeker. The SPYDER document, which talks about the SR and ER (SR uses I-Derby and ER I-Derby ER), where advanced ECCM is mentioned, and it would make sense to just upgrade the missile booster instead of making a whole new missile
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While i would like to see the I-Derby ER, it would inevitably result in a BR increase, which would make the plane suffer. 13.0 is a great BR for the kfir c.10 block 60 in my opinion. The lack of missiles is made up for with the great avionics, decent maneuverability, speed, and acceleration. It cant be as aggressive as a Su-33, F-4F ICE or other 13.0s but it excels in a supporting role. If it had more pylons for AAMs, such as ones where the targeting pod go, then yeah i wouldve like to see it at a higher BR with better missiles, but sadly it does not. If you’d like to see a Mirage III/V platform with a decent missile load, it would have to be the Cheetah C with a potential 5th missile pylon in the central one. Youd trade your radar for a downgraded one, though youd get extra missiles, irccm missiles, a MAW and more countermeasures. The Cheetah C’s engine is worse than the C.10s engine, so you’d also have to deal with that efficiently.
I just played a game with the Kfir C.10 and got 4 kills with it. 2 from dogfighting flankers :D
It would absolutely not suffer with that kit, extremely potent radar + missiles with Aim-120C-5 levels of range would not disappoint. The only thing that could let it down is the low amount of missiles and countermeasures. It needs to get them at some point in the future, even if not today, then someday. It’s the latest of the Kfir C.10 family, and if anyone wants a Kfir C.10 without the I-Derby, I-Derby ER, and Python 5, we can always get the get the regular non Block 60 Kfir C.10 with the mechanical radar and Derby + Python 4 combo.
It’s a great plane, with limitations, but it wouldn’t suffer from those additions as realistically it should benefit from them given its current matchmaker.
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Why would one of the best 13.0s need a buff
While the I Derby ER would make the Blk 60 Better I do not think it is the right move. If you put an 120C-5 equivalent against 12.0s, it would basically curb-stomp them every time. So, the solution would be an increase in BR to compensate for the better missiles.
As for the Python-4/5, i am completely against the Kfir blk 60 getting them in the current game, as they’d be essentially unflareable.
If you wish for a better Kfir, i recommend making a suggestion and looming into the Kfir NG, an upgrade compared to that of the Blk 60.
Historical accuracy, its drastically limited ingame compared to its IRL capabilities. Ingame it uses the Python 3 (which it never even had in Colombian service) and the Derby, when the Block 60 upgrade gave it the ability to use the I-Derby and I-Derby ER missiles. It’s severely gimped compared to how it was IRL, and is also missing the SPICE series IR guided glide bombs.