TBF “almost” everything overperforms in warthunder thats kind of a moot point there
looks at f16’s AOA in game and the p59A performance
Just some examples
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This topic is about ja37 though, we can’t talk through every plane in here even though i agree every plane should have themselves be modelled correctly, but based on your logic you can’t just ask one aircraft to be realistic and leave all of the other ones out
I already told you how and you responded with insults. So, stop your ignorance and scroll back up buddy
I think you both should take this to DM’s
Yes; and this goes straight back to War Thunder is not a 1:1 full fidelity game…
Which means this topic and the post of you asking war thunder to model ja37 realistically is pointless as defeated by your own point.
(hes gonna come up with some excuse now how some things can be realistic and some not based on what benefits him and what doesn’t)
But it’s not…
Every other plane in war thunder is very close, to 1:1 accurate with turn time, and an aircraft gets nerfed into the ground, wrongly, you just expect the people that know about it to sit by and not give shit in return for it?
The point your making is that “oh, you want your plane properly modeled, gotta find a way to nerf it to where it’s shit again”
You just assume that. And to maneuverability, there is way more than just turn time, even if one plane matches the turn time it might not match a bunch of other things
JA37 should be artifically nerfed as due to gaijins limitations it has an artificial buff.
It’s called net neutrality and it is the closest you can come.
If a game limitation gives an aircraft unrealistic buff which helps in combat, the model should be nerfed back to net neutral where it does not gain an unrealistic advantange that it should not have compared to the real model.
Idk, to me it seems more like noone really cares Viggen got nerfed, unlike you being very vocal in nearly every single thread on this forum. Kinda like Morvran and his talking about Sea Harrier or Tornado in every thread, both just incredibly annoying and not really presenting anything new or unknown. It got nerfed according to manuals, so nothing wrong with that, more people are riled up by the MiG-23 nerf which one cant blame em as the plane now turns 6G so basically the G load was nerfed twice the amount, as pre nerf it turned 12G, that coupled with fact many have the premium ML and the radar getting shafted caused much more riot than a Viggen nerf did.
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Okay, I’m gonna try and get this idea through your head…
What’s you favourite air RB plane right now?
Because it could barely sustain a dogfight the way it was, let alone now. Like, genuinely, I can’t even notch a missile now.
Topic is ja37 performance, i only reasoned my argument with other planes because you brought them up. We aren’t going to discuss the performance of any other specific airframes unless if you edit your post to include them. Also, whataboutism.
TBF the mig 23 was in interceptor first not a dogfighter it made sense as to why it was nerf though i believe gaijin should also note that this is a game not real life, this isnt training armies they should also balance more so by gameplay. Though i wont lie the nerf to the mig23/27 made me very sad since i am an avid mig 27 enjoyer. Also you didn’t take into account that sweden air isnt played by many people compared to russia way more people are gonna cry about not having or having something happen. So not really a great point.
Sorry, let me rephrase that -_-
The JA37 is my favorite fighter, which has been wrongly nerfed. I created this thread to see what others have come by data wise and to possibly create enough data to accumulate a bug report. You have come in and slandered my favorite aircraft by saying “to allow it to preform realistically; you need to make it have ‘kill switch’ from over-maneuvering.” So, if you were in the same situation, with your favorite aircraft having the same thing done and said to it, would not do the same, or at a minimum, not sit idly by?
Tho Swedish ground is much more played, and it somewhat requires having the air to have some kind of CAS,and Gripen is still very good plane, one of the best in the game,so quite a few flies the TT only cause of it.
It’s not “allowing to perform realistically” - It is realistic performance to not allow something to maneuver over what they can in real life. You can’t have realistic performance and allowed overmaneuvering in same sentence unless if you want something to have an unrealistic buff - which calls for an artificial nerf to keep the aircraft from having an unrealistic advantange in matches.
Now it is net neutral just as it should stay. Gaijin clearly agrees with this.
Okay, so then to allow the Viggen to fly and perform realistically (Stalls included) than all other aircraft should be the same, as to keep balanced…
Lmao, what should Tornado say then? And even in Tornado you can notch missiles with not much issue. The Viggen should turn even worse and bleed more speed than it does atm. As for the compressor stall, if it would have been modelled, could be same way as if in negative G planes with float carburator loose power. And the Viggen would get it a lot, basically 80% of time when performing high G turn.
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Eh i agree and disagree, i normally play the air tree last if i go down a nation for ground. If constantly in a plane or a jet im not on the ground helping my team. I don’t do well in CAS lol so id rather just bring another tank, and yes their ground is more played but compared to the people who have experience playing their air tree id say over half the people who’ve played the ground tree have either never touched air or have the Saab 35XS and nothing else. (Not including helis)
The helis are what most people dont have,except the above average Mi-28 they shouldnt have in first place, together with T-80U. I prefer to have planes same BR as tanks to use them alongside, and i dont really know anyone who is not flying together with developing his ground, as they all use planes alongside,and from what i saw, that is the case for majority of players.
Yeah. But we can’t do that, so what common sense says balance over realism when we can’t get full realism which means viggen not getting any unrealistic buffs