It’s went on sale multiple times this year already afaik. it’s always been spammed since it went undertiered anyway
no it doesnt
You disregard the fact that a mig21 smt will indeed use less fuel than a bis, say you will last a third more of the time on max fuel in a MF than in a bis if you use full afterburner almost all match, but because you don’t need to you will use EVEN less fuel, but the mig21 bis will still need MORE fuel.
the 21bis can just bring 17 minutes as well. There is nothing stopping him from doing so. You are not required to afterburn constantly nor are you required to sit on 2nd stage afterburner when you can be on a lower setting on the afterburner during travel.
So? you will burn more fuel while using afterburner, and unless you really wanna sit at mach 1.03 all match you do you, but that’s the speed f-5s can hit. You also need afterburner to extend, you also need afterburner when you’re dogfighting people vertically, i always stay at 102 percent throttle except when i’m engaging something where I need my engine power to deliver.
So yes you can use 17 min on bis too, at the expenses of sitting slower, arriving later and getting caught with less energy.
how do you think this happens, the f4c just takes gunpods and only takes head ons?
Are you new to the game? The F-4C can one circle a mig19pt, of course it will one circle a heavier plane roflmao.
sweden!?! top tier?? good?? They have the same gripen they’ve had for many patches now.
Ever thought this may be the problem you see but fail to address? that other countries have something close? Oh wait yes they do, China and France.
yeah this doesnt matter, you’re splitting hairs on this fuel argument.
yeah if you practice the exact same throttle management on both. I don’t. In a higher consumption plane I will just fly on a lower afterburner setting and use the same fuel consumption as your MF or close to it.
Only if I’m on a higher setting.
21bis can maintain much higher speeds on lower throttle…
you do realize the 21bis rips in like 45 seconds or something if it just sits on 110% throttle at sea level, yes? Like, you literally just get to your 1360 top speed then sit at something like 103-5% to maintain it.
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I have a lot better stats than you and many more games so I don’t think so.
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The F-4C absolutely gets fisted in a fight against the 19 regardless of which tactics you employ lmao. We can test this anytime in a custom. I have no f* idea how you landed on the idea that the F-4C can one circle things.
No idea what you’re talking about. Both china and france have far superior top tier atm
eah this doesnt matter, you’re splitting hairs on this fuel argument.
Wrong, you just don’t identify all the variables that go with an air RB encounter.
yeah if you practice the exact same throttle management on both. I don’t. In a higher consumption plane I will just fly on a lower afterburner setting and use the same fuel consumption as your MF or close to it.
You can’t just go say this without addressing that the mig21 bis burns almost double the fuel of the SMT when both use full afterburner and that both have similar top speeds.
you do realize the 21bis rips in like 45 seconds or something if it just sits on 110% throttle at sea level, yes? Like, you literally just get to your 1360 top speed then sit at something like 103-5% to maintain it.
It maintains it, but what about the engagements? are you going to waste your engine power?
I have a lot better stats than you and many more games so I don’t think so.
1: I played it when the su25k was already a problem
2: A-5C is not even close to a full fuel mig19PT.
3: MiG19PT is not even close to MiG19S, it gets one circled by the f-5e which has a ginormous turn radius.
No idea what you’re talking about. Both china and france have far superior top tier atm
True, but the low BR gripens are still there. It’s like facing mig23 ml’s except you cannot kill them head on with stock caged seekers.
Still we are derailing topics. J7D is abusive, because of PL5 and pl7 (four of them vs 2 on mirages). It’s UNACCEPTABLE that an already undertiered flight model is carrying superior missiles that many of the 11.3 aircraft in this game.
No I’m quite right in saying this fuel argument is miniscule in scope and rarely will come into play, especially because as I said the 21bis can just practice good fuel management himself.
I can tho, because the 21bis at 103-105% throttle is going to be going the same speed as the SMT going 110% (21bis might even end up faster) and the SMT FM is not as good to begin with.
I’m going to kill you in about 30 seconds, it isn’t going to take 10 minutes.
I was talking global stats.
incorrect, I play both. 19PT is just as good, only trading some agility for missiles. It’s still massively agile.
F5’s one circle radius is small.
referring to what
i’m shripmly going to ignore all of this and limit myself to saying the following:
Nerf the pl-5b, or move j7d to 11.3, Problem solved.
Nah, J-7D is undertiered but it would only ever go to 11.0. It’s not 11.3 capable/worthy.
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narrowing it down: nerf pl-5b
Equaling it to an aim9g’s acceleration and booster time will balance it.
pl-5b has no reason to be nerfed, its performing historically afaik, missiles don’t get artificial nerfs with the exception of top tier ARH. this isnt world of tanks where you just can change anything at anytime for any reason
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iirc
This is a weird one.
They used Janes as a source, which had the PL-5B/C having the same rocket motor power as a Sparrow and the PL-10 (Aspide) having the motor of a Sidewinder.
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many things in this game got their historical performance nerfed. While sounding good, this argument is stale on it’s own because of the logic of this game.
can you name a missile that isnt a top tier missile that had anything but historical stats
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Only top-tier ARH? Lol, off the top of my head you at least have to add MANPADS, IIR, AIM-54, top-tier IR, TOW, and Spike missiles to your list first.
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I’m referring to air. Also don’t remember hearing aim-54 or top tier IR being wrong.
idk, f7f? sea fury missing 400 horsepower? yak3 having low VNE? i16 barely exceeding 450kmh in a straight line? MiG17F_LATE missing afterburner? (it’s the name of the MiG17 we have in russian tree, it should equal the shenyang F5 premium, because it is technically a MiG17 Late. I’ll go on. F2G having m2 50 cal instead of m3? J7W1 climbing less than a bomber despite it was known to be used as last minute b29 interceptor? do335 same thing? there’s many things here. Me163 could take off vertically (alas it also would blow up most of the times) while in game it just makes for a very weird jet.
I like to call this “teh COWMOOflage”
first of all none of those are missiles
second of all it is the mig-17pf that gets the afterburner and the one in the russian tech tree is the normal Mig-17
but surely you have a source for that claim
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dog what
anyway, besides the fact none of these are missiles, the issue you’re not getting is that the things you’re mentioning are not deliberate artificial nerfs but rather are inaccuracies.
Though:
The MiG-17 in the soviet tree is the MiG-17… just the MiG-17. The first variant produced. The MiG-17F is the Lim-5P in the german tree but without a radar. Or, if you’d rather, it’s the Shenyang F-5 but without missiles.
he limited it to missiles, well yes there are also non toptier missiles that get nerfed, like aim9j, r13m-1 and similar. @Normandy_Corsair i said “the game nerfs stuff from historical values” and you limited it to missiles. Some others named you missiles, i’m not versed in missiles but first of all you’re the one who talks about missiles into the argument of nerfing historical things in general. The “first” is not the “late”, it’d be the “early”, and the mig17pf has a radar (since P stands for Interceptor, Perekhvatchik.
ok prove it was a deliberate artificial nerf, though I don’t ever remember these missiles being nerfed anytime in the past 4 years anyway
no the conversation was about missiles being nerfed and you changed the subject to try to encompass the game’s bulk
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