Yes. J-7D is overperforming, and Overpowered in its current position.
The only valid point that OP made…
But the following was truly doomed…
Underselling F-5, overrating Chinese ‘rank 8’ for defending his cringe against rank 7 prem…
I don’t disagree with ‘J-7D is overpowered’ itself, but seeing that claim for nothing but undersells American jets to make them great again is disgusting…
“J-7D is harassing flareless jets!”
(Meanwhile F8U and AV-8, A-10A also punch their nose)
my xrodher in christ, i’ve outfought f-5s with the god damn phantom and killed them head on while they flare with r60m. If you think that the literal zero of supersonics is “op” while your railgun launcher is doodoo then you’re doing something wrong (checks profile, sees none of the aircraft played exceeds 1.5 kill death ratio).
J7D has SUPERIOR flight performance to the MiG21 bis in most scenarios below mach 1. Use PL5b below 1.5km or further than 4km (top to down), nobody will spot you and the missiles will strike because nobody sees the smoke so they will not flare.
Why are you trusting stats? Why do you place the worst swe/cn top tiers as a defense? Sweden has two gripens that will roflstomp half lobbies and still outdogfight everything that is not the mitsubishi f-2, the fa-18c late is a 11.3 performing aircraft with dogwater missiles that do nothing but add drag to it, it’s too slow to even launch them with enough energy. China has mirage with six mica, j10 which is one of the best dogfighters in the game (and the best dogfighter if using a joystick and pedals), j7e which outdogfights every rank 7 and many of the rank 8 dogfighters too, j8’s which while they have decent flight performance they are still very tough to kill because they’re built like tanks. France? Well, what can I say, magic 2s and MICAs are the two best missiles in the game.
Yes. J-7D is overperforming, and Overpowered in its current position.
That’s why you had to throw everything ?
The only valid point that OP made…
But the following was truly doomed…
Underselling F-5, overrating Chinese ‘rank 8’ for defending his cringe against rank 7 prem…
Do you really think that one of the most skill demanding aircraft of 10.7 which happens to be the slowest afterburning supersonic jet in game which also happens to have the lowest missile count which also happen to be the worst missiles at rank 7 is “as OP as the j7d” which has the flight performance of a 11.0? I really doubt you’re going to do any good in a plane where you need to be careful who you dogfight with because you won’t be able to extend, or stay at mach 1 every time possible because you won’t accelerate at all below 800kmh. Your stats on meta planes that rely in a good blend of suspended armament and flight performance are very bad, so I doubt you’re going to do well in something that has neither flight performance beyond energy retention at mach and has nothing but two plinkers that despawn after 800 meters and are extremely draggy, and two 10g missiles with a small uncaged boresight.
I don’t disagree with ‘J-7D is overpowered’ itself, but seeing that claim for nothing but undersells American jets to make them great again is disgusting…
This is already schizoid rambling. If you look at the export variants of the f.-5s they are either better armed or straight up better armed and better performers.
“J-7D is harassing flareless jets!”
(Meanwhile F8U and AV-8, A-10A also punch their nose)
Xro if you lose to these two planes in your j7d then you’re definitely doodoo.
“lies!” (reposts my screenshots showing it’s actually true with the “useless circle” overlay)
You also covered two more j7d near the bottom of the list.
Can’t be clumsier than that.
Stop typing, you ain’t slick, buckaroo.
Oh, I never knew that I won the free J-7D of mine from you. :/
Do you believe that I defend because I have one and am one of them? really?
What I meant was, blaming only J-7D for the suffering of flareless jets while excluding every goddamn American jet is disgusting as f-
I am friggin tired of these ‘AIM-9E is too weak so F-5C is overrated’ theory ffs.
Yes, it might be a weak missile in its BR, but it was one of the main reasons why F-5C were shamelessly undertiered for years.
It was all fun and joyful when it was 10.3BR and harassing F-100D and Hunter FGR.9. Isn’t it?
Don’t undersell American-built jets while blaming J-7D.
It is an unnecessary claim that will only harm your case.
Oh, I never knew that I won the free J-7D of mine from you. :/
Huh?
Do you believe that I defend because I have one and am one of them? really?
No what are you barking about?
What I meant was, blaming only J-7D for the suffering of flareless jets while excluding every goddamn American jet is disgusting as f-
Don’t you understand that EVERYONE suffers equally under the abusive presence of the j7d? Where did YOU get that i’m wanting us jets to be OP, all i want is the J7D to be balanced. Stop derailing topics and putting words in my mouth.
I am friggin tired of these ‘AIM-9E is too weak so F-5C is overrated’ theory ffs.
Yes, it might be a weak missile in its BR, but it was one of the main reasons why F-5C were shamelessly undertiered for years.
I have faced them for 5 years and my only gripe with them is that they would get kill stolen because they were hard to gun down. Now they will die if you remove the rudder fin off the vertical stabilizer or give them a yellow wing root. I’ve dealt with them neatly with mig19pt and had gotten teamkilled 150 times on my f-5c because of A-10 rats.
Don’t undersell American-built jets while blaming J-7D.
It is an unnecessary claim that will only harm your case.
You’re making stuff up, when I say “china dominates” i’m not talking about how america suffers. Then you put two (edit THREE) L TIER sample sizes calling lies on me saying “at least 7 j7d per match” showing there’s actually MORE, hiding j7d’s so stupidly bad you even didnt put the arrow out of the fourth j7d that it got the popup text indicating player name and vehicle and previously posting china’s worst top tier jet which happens to be Russia’s best one (lol) and sweden’s 14.0 which happens to be FINNISH and THE WORST TOP BR PLANE IN THE ENTIRE GAME. Completely ignoring Gripen A , Gripen C, J10, Mirage 2000, J11B and J17.
THIS is not just underselling, this is scamming. For you and your unskilled hands saying a FACT that the f-5 has low battle presence is underselling, but you completely manipulating the narrative, manipulating facts and still spoofing at it is not, right? right.
Get out.
Bro those are my pictures , not yours you know…
Also …
The ^lies^ were sarcasm…
But it is possible to have many of them in 11,3 /11,7 games. You can have maximum 8 of them in a match in 10,7. You can have 10 per team in an 11+…
It’s not your screenshots… you see? Except if we have the same in game name…
Anyway , i’ll ignore you because you are not worth my time . You even called my screenshots yours.
Saying that China dominates is making stuff up. Many Chinese aircraft are currently artificially nerfed or not modelled correctly, such as the J-11Bs radar, or the Q-5s, J-8Fs, JH-7As armament. There’s also a ton of missing aircraft, most notably later J-7 and intermediate J-8 variants.
Just move the J-7D to 11.0 and call it a day.
You are the one who is barking at everyone who disagrees with your logic. here.
You were the one who was just running through every topic about J-7 and necroposted things.
You wrote this because you believe that I am one of these J-7D gangs.
Wrong, I didn’t buy J-7D bc I am not a big fan of MiG-21 or the Chinese air force.
I am just tired of your constant reposting of your whining about J-7D.
DO YOU THINK I DON’T KNOW THAT?
Well, as a joke with 0% honesty, J-7D superimacy sounds better than American supremacy a year ago in a 9.7-10.7 match by F-8E/F-5C/A-6E assembled in the same team.
With exaggeration, to flareless jets, almost all of IR missile which acts better than AIM-9E are acting the same. As long as every missile is unflarable to these junk, the difference between PL-5B and AIM-9D/G/J is not big enough to those junks. You will die anyway, no matter what is flying into you.
If J-7D need to be removed from the current 10.7BR bracket for better balance, those American counterparts that spam missiles also need to be nerfed at the same time. (Of course, soviet and others’ counterparts also need to be dealt with in the same way.)
You didn’t speak directly, but you blamed only J-7D and excluded the other abusers, which will lead to American supremacy eventually.
I really love the moment when I fly random flareless jets, then F8U-2 shows up from a random place and throws AIM-9D to get a free kill (of course, can evade 9D if plane is super-fast, but will waste speeds and will be gunned down eventually)
I think you might be thinking that it is fine(because you never mentioned these problems but crying for J-7D nerf only), and J-7D needs to be dead?
Nonsense.
I agree with some point that J-7D need to be taken care of, but if you claim EVERYONE suffers from J-7D supremacy, just for killing J-7D only.
Then I can use the exact same theory, but switching J-7D to F8U-2.
“But PL-5B is way better than AIM-9D numbnut!” ← look up. to a flareless jet, both are the same efficient death sentence.
I don’t give a damn about J-7D being 11.0 or even 11.3,
Mirage IIIE has 2x Magic 1, but J-7D in the same BR has 4x Magic 1, double the amount of IR missiles. Even if we exclude PL-5B for arguing’s sake, is there any reason that we shouldn’t nerf J-7D itself?
But I hope other ‘flareless-jet bully’ also moves up in one step, just like J-7D does.
For example, F8U-2 in 10.3BR is the same level of bullshitness as J-7D in 10.7 does.
There are just tons of jets which are causing problems. ignoring others while pinpointing J-7D is ruthless.
Again, I don’t give a damn about J-7D nerf itself because It is broken/ and I didn’t bought it yet.
Just, it needs to take similar counterparts up along with them.
Sending only J-7D higher to 11.0+ will end up with lame F8U supremacy. :/
for F-5C? I am just damn tired of ‘AIM-9E nonsense’ so how about getting every F-5C equivalent gets AIM-9J/P and moves up to 11.0?
Gladly.
This smells like a case of crying that America suffers, while not having played any other nation
I agree with the original post.
J7D is VERY annoying to deal with .
Unlike the previous F8E Spam, the J7D is even more powerful. While you could easily get a corsair to rip its own wings off , these damn vultures just pop airbrake and sit on your tail, spamming Magics at 1km.
It doesn’t help that the barcodes fly in groups either. You lose focus for one second, pop a flare just a little too late and you are doomed.
Here i was thinking 10.0-11.0 would be smooth sailing for my Mirage III S (and future Swiss F5) but every match i just get swarmed by the barcodes.
The Mirage III S cant outrun them either (and its one of the faster planes at the BR) and J7D dogfights really well.
The only reason why the entire bracket isn’t straight up suppressed is because the average J7D player is … dim.
But regardless of how bad some of them play, they still pull off 3-4 kills per game simply by slinging Magics / 5B’s at anything that moves.
j7d literally outdogfights mig21 bis and f-5e with ease, for the sole fact that all mig21s that aren’t the BIS endure on full afterburner about a third more, so they can bring 24 mins of fuel and dogfight you at 17 mins of fuel, while you’re still trying to hold to your life with 28 minutes of fuel. Apart from that, j7d out performs mig21 bis between 500 and 990 kmh of airspeed at most altitudes. Bis can’t do anything against J7D and it doesn’t even have the endurance to burn enough fuel and get lighter and start pulling AOA. Other aircraft at 10.7 have no battle presence either, and unless it’s the j35xs that dies easily once it spent it’s six flares there’s nothing much that can compete against it. Throw missiles from 7km away? strike, nobody sees the smoke. Throw the missiles from 1km away? They will zip off so fast they wont even see flares. Throw them head on from 1km away against mig23s? strike, if an aim9e can do it why not a side aspect missile with a small seeker? You have no option against a j7d, they will club you or club you whether they’re infront or behind, whether they will run away from you and never see them until they plant on your six again or you are the one able to run away from them. You’d get one shoved from behind. Oppressive, abusive, spammed and braindead. The F-5C at least was slow and had missiles you didnt need flares to defeat, the a-5c at least could be out fought by a f-4c, the harrier at least would cook it’s engines after a while, but the j7d? just a j7e with a single delta cut.
IMO rank 7’s most oppressive planes are (without a doubt) firstly the j7e, then the mig23 ml (it’s radar is one of the best in game, people keep saying you can notch it below horizon and chaff it above horizon, it’s nearly undefeatable and f-4e radar is doing funny things too lately) and then the rest of aircraft that are faster than the rest but can be dealt with the moment they turn or spend all the flares. And for rank 8, it’s of course france, sweden, china and… the f-15e. And when I say oppressive I say that these aircraft are near impossible to deal with even by aircraft of their same BR.
this comment of yours was also useless
yeah theres a ton of j7ds everytime it goes on sale, I never said it wasn’t spammed.
did it go on sale for a whole year?
no it doesnt
the 21bis can just bring 17 minutes as well. There is nothing stopping him from doing so. You are not required to afterburn constantly nor are you required to sit on 2nd stage afterburner when you can be on a lower setting on the afterburner during travel.
how do you think this happens, the f4c just takes gunpods and only takes head ons?
sweden!?! top tier?? good?? They have the same gripen they’ve had for many patches now.
It’s went on sale multiple times this year already afaik. it’s always been spammed since it went undertiered anyway
no it doesnt
You disregard the fact that a mig21 smt will indeed use less fuel than a bis, say you will last a third more of the time on max fuel in a MF than in a bis if you use full afterburner almost all match, but because you don’t need to you will use EVEN less fuel, but the mig21 bis will still need MORE fuel.
the 21bis can just bring 17 minutes as well. There is nothing stopping him from doing so. You are not required to afterburn constantly nor are you required to sit on 2nd stage afterburner when you can be on a lower setting on the afterburner during travel.
So? you will burn more fuel while using afterburner, and unless you really wanna sit at mach 1.03 all match you do you, but that’s the speed f-5s can hit. You also need afterburner to extend, you also need afterburner when you’re dogfighting people vertically, i always stay at 102 percent throttle except when i’m engaging something where I need my engine power to deliver.
So yes you can use 17 min on bis too, at the expenses of sitting slower, arriving later and getting caught with less energy.
how do you think this happens, the f4c just takes gunpods and only takes head ons?
Are you new to the game? The F-4C can one circle a mig19pt, of course it will one circle a heavier plane roflmao.
sweden!?! top tier?? good?? They have the same gripen they’ve had for many patches now.
Ever thought this may be the problem you see but fail to address? that other countries have something close? Oh wait yes they do, China and France.
yeah this doesnt matter, you’re splitting hairs on this fuel argument.
yeah if you practice the exact same throttle management on both. I don’t. In a higher consumption plane I will just fly on a lower afterburner setting and use the same fuel consumption as your MF or close to it.
Only if I’m on a higher setting.
21bis can maintain much higher speeds on lower throttle…
you do realize the 21bis rips in like 45 seconds or something if it just sits on 110% throttle at sea level, yes? Like, you literally just get to your 1360 top speed then sit at something like 103-5% to maintain it.
I have a lot better stats than you and many more games so I don’t think so.
The F-4C absolutely gets fisted in a fight against the 19 regardless of which tactics you employ lmao. We can test this anytime in a custom. I have no f* idea how you landed on the idea that the F-4C can one circle things.
No idea what you’re talking about. Both china and france have far superior top tier atm
