With all that said, I’d rather see Israel right now getting some actually good and domestic support vehicles, like the Sholef V2, HVSD/ADAMS, or PT-76-2000. Israel really needs more support vehicles right now.
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What do people think about adding an additional nation to the Israel tech tree to allow it to have a low tier plus some potential diversity at the higher end in the same way as Sweden also has Finland etc?
I think it’s a bad idea, at least until about 2025-2026. If Gaijin keeps adding copy pasta to the Israeli ground TT, at some point they’ll run out of them and be forced to add genuinely interesting and unique vehicles. If another nation is added, that just keeps real progress away. As it stands, Israel is on a trajectory to run out of copy pasta vehicles by around 2025-2026, and after that we can think about adding a minorer nation.
Unfortunately Israel does not really have a “best buddy” nation to add to the game as a subtree. And a US subtree is out of the goddamn queation.
I actually have an idea in the works: a subtree for Israel consisting of private ventures of Israeli military industey complex companies. A subtree that will have vehicles developed by Israeli companies without direct funding by the IDF or the Israeli MoD, including prototypes that never went anywhere like the Rascal, M113 HVMS, M109I7 ‘Spark’, as well as the prototypes of exported vehicles to various nations like the PT-76-2000, RAM V-1 (TOW), and SandCat Mk.4 (the one with a SPIKE ER launcher), and the T-54M3 prototype.
I think it is also a good idea to include just straight up export vehicles, like the Sabrah ASCOD, TAM 2C, and the production version of the T-54M3, but export vehicles need to have a high tolerance of what can be added. Not every vehicle with a tiny Israeli sensor should be added to the subtree, but rather only vehicles where Israeli companies had an absolute or a very large part in development.
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Actually produced prototypes can be obtained without a ‘sub tree’…
All the mentioned vehicles from the private venture group are a must in the existing lines of the Israeli ground TT.
A separate line for exports does sound better. For example the M113 HVMS in the regular line, and M24 with HVMS and perhaps also the Sherman in the exports tree, so you can get an HVMS lineup like you can do with Sweden’s 40mm lineup.
Oh no, I am very obviously aware of this! It’s just that the subtree is a more fun idea to sort those vehicles rather than unload them onto the tree. It woild also give Israel a 5th line, which would make it seem bigger.
More improtantly, the subtree would allow the addition of some vehicles that would otherwise be a bit dodgy to add to the main tree, like the Magach Marksman:
This subtree would also magnetize some vehicles for Israel, like the aforementioned T-54M3. While the prototype is 100% going to Israel, the production variant might end up going to Russia (It’s a T-54 therefore Russian!!!) without the subtree.
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Israel is really no fun… Every nation cuts through merkava. 4 armor like hot knife through butter. Even to the turret from every direction… Frustrating.
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The Eitan with the 30mm turret will be bad assed.
Israel is literally on the last of my list. Id rather play Hungary
Id actually be super interested in it though if it wasnt just the “weird U.S. tree”
Middle eastern design+US tank influence, they have some really crazy cool wacky but viable IRL stuff
And they have literal dozens of unique vehicles
Aside from the slow content, Israel is my favorite line to play.
I wish they would transfer the South African tree to Israel instead. Makes much more sense than being in the UK TT and it still being called UK instead of the more appropriate Commonwealth. And then maybe more South African vehicles would be added.
Why did players call for SA to be in the UK TT anyways?
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yep, for clear reasons, Israel tree lacks vehicles, and you can’t even find a sub tree for it. May be it’s time for it to go back to America sub tree, or create a mixed tree for those not suitable being a independent tree or sub tree.
There is not a clear reason for it. Israel has plenty of vehicles which can be added including an entire missile and IFV line. It’s already rivaling Japan in terms of Ground vehicles anyway.
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But tons of Magachs and Merkavas is still terrible for most of people. As I know, Israel missile and IFV isn’t enough to fill a full unique line, that’s why gaijin keep them so that Israel tree won’t ‘die’ so fast. Japan too, now it’s already in such situation, struggling by prototypes that almost same. And for clear reason, Israel can hardly find a sub tree to save it, so as Japan. I know they are considering South Korea sub tree, but this could cause some international conflicts.
Achzarit IFV, Eitan IFV, Namer IFV, M113 60mm HVMS, AMX-13 60mm HVMS, Pereh, Jeep TOW, Tiran 5, Tiran 5Sh, Tiran 6, Ti-67, Chieftain Mk.1, Shot Kal Bet, Sholef, Sabrah, Carmel, Sho’t Meteor, Merkava Mk.4 Barak, Merkava Mk.3D (Early), Merkava Mk.3D (Late), Merkava Mk.2C, XR-311 (106mm Recoilless Rifle), XR-311 (Hughes TOW ATGM system), M-60 Sherman, M-50 Sherman.
Do I need to go on? I easily can.
Gaijin has just been slow for the last 3 years and only added Magachs for the majority of Israel being in game.
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Israel has no shortage of vehicles that can be added to the game, its biggest problem is that Gaijin didn’t have much enthusiasm for it, from the time Israel was added to War Thunder until now, Gaijin only copied and paste, and didn’t have enough enthusiasm to add its featured vehicles (Tigres, Sabra, Spyer,Soltam, etc.).
As for your desired subtree, you can actually add a selection of all of Israel’s foreign trade vehicles to it, as one of the world’s largest arms trading countries, he has a lot of foreign upgrade orders (Turkey, Vietnam, India, etc.), but only if Gaijin does not have a negative bias against Israel
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I don’t really consider most of the Magachs to be copy paste, but it would be nice for something different.
My list above would be to die for tbh
I absolutely want all of those tanks in the game. It would add 25 tanks to Israel and a good few of them would not be that hard to do.
Being easy to do and not wanting to take the time and effort to do it are two different things. Israel, which is not loved by game designers, has waited three years and the experience is the same or worse than it was three years ago. Check out the much-loved Sweden (lack of helicopters? No problem. I can add all the helicopters that bid to the game. Lack of advanced vehicles? No problem we will also include the tanks that came to Sweden for bidding at that time. Lack subtrees? No problem. We will unite the four Norse countries in war thunder and build a great Norse empire.）
Unfortunately for Israel, all of its neighbors don’t like them.
So, subtrees based in the middle east aren’t exactly possible, though Taiwan is in China… so maybe not.
Regardless, it is possible for Israel to get these additions. It’s just going to be slow at this rate because Israel doesn’t pull in the money Sweden and Russia does.