heres a classic example of compression F14B vs SU33
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Maus is the best example for me.
Gaijin removed it because “it was impossible to balance”…
Because “8.7 is too strong for Maus, while 6.7 is too weak for Maus”…
And I’m like: THEN JUST MAKE IT NOT FACE EITHER 8.7S NOR 6.7S! DECOMPRESS!
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the same mantra peolpe have been saying for literally a decade. Any problem? decompression. But thats not how any of this works. They literally just decompressed 7.7 less than a year ago.
6.0 tanks CAN fight an is3 frontally. Many 6.3s have no difficulty. Most 6.7s are just as effective if not more. If you EVER want armor to be effective you have to make the concession that full downteirs shouldn’t be able to point-click a heavy tank in a full upteir. It doesn’t matter how compressed or decompresed the game is, thats just a gameplay fundimental.
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WHAAAAAA my ONE tank that doesn’t fit the mould should make them do an incredible amount of rebalancing to make it fit. Yeah, not happening.
The maus is effective at 7.7. Most 6.7s and 7.0s struggle to pen it, and even if they can they need 2-3 pens at min to kill it. The maus pens anything even in an upteir. Literally the same thing as the is3 if it was at 7.0. That people expect the maus to be unpennable is the problem, not the tank.
This goes for many, many, many tanks.
Many 5.7s have no business facing either 6.7s nor certain 4.7s.
Many 9.3s have no business facing either 8.3s nor certain 10.3s.
Etc.
So they end up pumping them in BR so they don’t stomp in downtiers, which only leads them to be further stomped on uptiers, etc.
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Nah, what you are seeing is black hole BRs. BRs where players gravitate towards because there are iconic tanks or many nations that have good lineups. That leads to more players, meaning more matches of that br, meaning more upteirs for -1.0 of that BR. The tank is balanced if it fought the full spectrum of battles in 4.7-6.7, but it doesn’t. Its going to see mostly 6.7s and therefore feel weaker because 6.7 is where the tiger 2 sits along side US 6.7.
Much the same thing as 8.0 being extremely popular along with 8.3. Then you jump to 10.3 and 10.7. Decompressing just ends up with different black holes that are even stronger due to less matches being found in their BR range. (if there were fewer 7.7 tanks from decompression, 6.7 would see more and more downteirs due to the lack of 7.0 and 7.3 lineups across most nations)
Constant demands of decompression is just going to cause as many problems as it solves, leaving many BRs that sit under a black hole unable to find downteirs anymore, making them even more useless.
Me as a Russian Player the IS-3 is perfect for it BR nobody can pentrate you anyways and you always stay domiant. Lowering it down make it very unfair.
If a vehicle seeing certain amount of certain vehicles is a problem, then it shouldn’t ever face them.
Balance should never be reliant on how many people play or don’t play certain vehicles, nor depend on how lucky or unlucky you are to get uptiers or downtiers.
Every vehicle should be balanced at all times against all of its opponents.
Pure fantasy with little grasp on reality. Perfect balance is asking for the impossible, and demanding it is going to get you nothing.
If a 6.0 tank only ever sees upteirs, it will be considered weak. Its not because of the inherent capabilities of the tank, its due to its matching. Does it deserve a downteir? If you say no, then the tank will remain weak and no one will play it. If you say yes, then what you are seeking is not balance against all its opponents. Your argument just doesn’t work.
With that attitude, maybe.
The truth is, it would only take some decompression for opponents to only face vehicles within the same range of technical capabilities.
That’s all it would take.
Matches shouldn’t be a matchmaking lottery where you either stomp or are stomped because the range of potential capabilities is so large.
None of those suggestions have merit.
There would be a super-small selection of tanks at BR 5.0 that could scratch the IS2. On the reverse the IS2 would one-shot almost everything it aimed at.
As for the IS3… a similar comparable is the Conqueror
It has better frontal turret armor (with a horrible weak spot mantlet) but significantly worse armor on sides and back.
Though the conqueror has better reload and pen, it is still quite slow and has no HE filler.
The conqueror top speed is slower compared to the IS3.
All of the above and the Conqueror sits at 7.7 And you think it reasonable to drop the IS3 to 7.0? I don’t agree at all.
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Conq also has the worlds most random ammo. Your shot may turn the enemy into fine dust, it may simply dissapear into the void with a mere hit.
Ok, i’ll bite. Name a tank at 5.0 that can’t pen the is2’s 100mm mantlet or pen the driver’s hatch. I’ll wait. The EBR would struggle at 5.3, but that tank has a lot wrong with it that i’m not going to touch on.
Conq has 10 degrees gun depression and has a full stab. it has 500 pen. Its designed as a sniping tank. None of these are comparable to the is3. The only reason the conq is considered bad is because that apds round has something wrong with it. Dozens of people have tested and come to the same conclusion. When they changed the pen from 380 to 500 they changed something in the postpen numbers that messed up the shell, generating seemingly random postpen effects that have little to do with the plate hit or the remaing velocity after pen (how most apds work).
i dont think 5.0 ish player has gain enough braincell to know where to aim at IS-x tank
The churchills exist. Therefore your argument doesn’t hold much weight. They have FAR more armor than the IS2 has for its br. No one is calling churchills OP.
cuz the gun cant pen anything
and its slow
it also has only solid shot
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None of which has to do with players struggling to pen it. Which was your argument. The IS2 has 100mm armor turret. No tank at 5.0 struggles with 100mm flat armor. Hell, the SA-50 has 200 pen.
Yes, I also play on a friend’s account who has Germany upgraded to 9.0. At 6.7 it has great firepower, reload time and not to mention the armor, one of the best in this tier, however their mobility is slow, but it has all these other things to compensate.
i looked through TT of most nations at churchill(s) BR, almost all of them has tank that can pen the churchill
Churchill isnt even that armored like you say, churchill actually suffer, it has no pen, its slow and it get easily flanked
do you know 1 tank that struggle to pen 100mm flat armor? Its the Churchill VII at 4.7, which face 5.7 that can pen it
also IS cheek is trolly, which u would get because its curved and volumetric, Churchill doesnt have that much volumetric, because its a box with a box on top
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The drivers hatch and mantlet are not large, so unless you are quite close good chance you don’t have a great chance of hitting them, unless the IS2 is idle and just letting you shoot.
The Jumbo 76 has a weak spot like that on the front - should it drop as well?
As for Conqueror and IS3, they are both slow, have slow reload and both have unreliable ammo, which is what I was comparing. The IS3 should also be played in a similar role since the slow turret rotation and long reload makes it a terrible brawler.