in the most recent update on the website they decided that the information they had did not correlate with the info that others were sending in the bug reports. While the bug report does say accepted the new reports, the post says otherwise. That’s what this poll was made for
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What I am getting at is Gaijins implementation of those bug reports. Alot of effort goes into alot of them but in the end they seem to just be introduced in a butchered state, or even just denied despite sufficient evidence. Often the reasoning given is also pretty shaky, look at todays news report.
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It would be a lot easier if a lot of these sources didn’t contradict themselves, something people in this thread glossed over earlier like that isn’t a big deal lol. “Often the reason given is shaky,” is because often the answer isn’t very clear, especially with what I mentioned before. Even so, they have very obviously made efforts to do this without unbalancing the game too severely like the Abrams reload rate just being introduced.
Unrelated, but if you’re going to suggest “Well it’s not balanced anyway because western vehicles suck,” then there’s no point talking to you.
They do act like we can get classified info to back it up but we all know what happened everytime. Leclurc is a big victim from it. The day it happened feels like they just fucked up the armor purposefully and never even bothered to change it.
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If by contradictions are you talking about the Abrams’ spall liner? Other than that I’m not aware of any others, but I’d be happy to know.
“Often the answer isn’t very clear” well if it isn’t, then they should say so, no point dancing around the bush. If it is because of some contradiction then they should make it clear. No one benefits here.
In talking about whether western tanks ‘suck’, some do. But not all. The armor on some should definitely be improved because it is severely underperforming in some regards. See the Ariete and Leclerc. The latest Abrams also suffers to a lesser extent because of its massively increased weight for basically no utility other than heatfs(which now with stock apfsds doesnt even matter). So an increase in protection, even by a little to compensate for a loss of mobility should be well within reason, especially given the amount of information for the Abrams’ armor.
If you do not want to talk to me, that is fine. It is within your right to do that.
“well if it isn’t, then they should say so,” They do. They’ve been overly clear about this for years. See:
“See the Ariete and Leclerc.” Have you ever used them? And don’t say “Well everyone says they suck!” That is totally irrelevant. People can be wrong, and with the WT community, often are just blatantly wrong. I was told by many “The only thing good in Italy is the armored cars!” I was told many times over the Ariete was “nigh-useless,” at best. Through my own experience of just not being horrible (I’m not even a ‘great’ player.) at the game, I’ve realized these are both false.
“The latest Abrams also suffers.” Again, you haven’t used it, and the Abrams got a reload buff that some are saying makes it probably the best or top 3 MBTs currently, unless you get your opinions from SpanishAvenger, in which case there’s no hope for you.
that entire Challenger section is why Brit mains think they’re hated by Gaijin
That’s one family of vehicles. Don’t even get me started on Sabots on the Chally 1 detonating for no reason.
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Hate is a strong word, i feel like gaijin overlook Britain and simply dismiss anything that needs to be fixed. I mean it took 2 years for the mobility to be fixed… Funny enough it only happened once they adda premium version.
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as i see some problem left for years without fixing it Leclerc are best example
This does not help conversation about these tanks, we have concrete stuff to look at and compare which are not subjective and directly effect how tanks perform.
Do leclerc and ariete have worse armor, mobility, gun performance and qol features compared to other 11.7 mbts? Yes
Objectively they are worse tanks, as they do everything that other tanks do just worse. It doesn’t matter if you can make the 10.3 ariete work yourself as this same tank faces 11.7 in another variant THAT YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN PLAYED.
So to say it with your own words,
Have you used the 11.7 mbts? Have you ever played a 11.7 match? No? Then you have nothing to contribute to this topic if all you do is spew about your subjective experience.
I will not answer to any reply you will send in this thread as to not derail from the initial topic that Gaijin has issues with their bug report system.
I think looking at the bug report about azur and now the reload time we get to see a pretty clear picture of what problem gaijin has.
What they need is clear rules of how to dispute bug reports, level the playing field and not elevate secondary sources and websites above primary ones just because some developer thinks this is the right number and everything else is false.
If we need a primary source or 2 secondary sources to even open a bug report they would logically need the same to dispute it
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It’s true that there is a problem of perception of unfairness. That Gaijin developpers and technical moderators reject insufficient or contradictory documentation (even primary sources) is to be expected. The core of the issue and, I suspect, the reason for this poll is that it’s pretty obvious for everyone reading the forums that there is no clear rule in place. If the rules were clear and followed clearly by mods and devs, then community members wouldn’t be so frustrated when their bug reports get rejected apparently randomly. And if (as Gaijin argues) it is not random, then they should provide better justification for their decisions. Perception is everything!
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It is considered lucky if a bug report is “acknowledged”. Most of those bug reports just stay rot in Open status without any mod comments or tagging. It seems they are deliberately ignored.
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When you make bug reports, the only thing they’re going to tell you is that it’s not a bug when there are sources behind it
People who vote “YES” are totally out of the actual state of the game and the report issues lol
or alternatively they’re just players of countries with little to no issues to do with inaccuracy…
ahem Russian and Swedish mains
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I find it hilarious when I open the Challenger tab to see the sheet volume of inaccuracies and bugs and suggestions on Challenger… and that’s just Challenger 2. God forbid if we included Chieftain and Challenger 1 suggestions/bugs.
This is such an unfathomable cope, I’m glad you wont respond because it’ll save me the trouble of reading such another stupid post.
“They are worse,” in certain areas, yes. However, let’s use LWS as an example: It is so infinitely useful that armor would become less important. Note that I’m pretty sure none of the Abrams or Leopard 2s have a LWS. Huh, interesting.
“You havent played the 11.7s!” Which is funny, because I never said I played all of them. I’ve played the Ariete (P), which believe or not, is an Ariete, and can and has been uptiered to 11.3. I should also note, you’ve only played 3/9 top-tier MBTs either so clearly you’re also “subjective,” especially when you haven’t even touched the 11.7 Abrams that’s being discussed, unless 3/9 is just conveniently “objective.”
Also, none of this changes the fact he hasn’t either. This is a prime example of an actual “Whataboutism,” fallacy. It doesn’t matter if I haven’t since I’m not the one running around saying “These vehicles suffer!”
Please try and gain some form of reading comprehension before you try and make up an “epic own,” that falls entirely flat on it’s face.
do you think gaijin leaves other nations aside ?
- yes
- no
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The big problem of the Gaijin devs is that they don’t listen to their community and by dint of it people will get fed up and will abandon the game and it will be funny for them to no longer have anyone frankly I laugh if a new tank game like War Thunder comes out and their devs listen to their community
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