because slow and bad ammunition. Lol.
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wa… what? THe 60mm APFSDS? what a joke, the box with -2 which cant shoot straight at move as it “jumps” on rocks, and the heavilly armored survivable MBT-alike with 90mm APFSDS?
we do nuthin. 8.0 delets 7.0-7.7 massively, as they are MBTs - M60s whistand shots of 7.0-7.3 well, Leopards outrun anything and have rangefinder, T-54s are pain to fight with lower tiers.
And then them 8.0 get deleted with 8.7-9.0
the 8.3s sid in the middle of that with middle stats with either stabs or good ammunition/thermals/good armor. They are pain to play agains with 7.7s and are pain to play agains 9.0-9.3
This bracket where WW2 meets Korea and Korea meets Nam in literally 4 br steps just needs to be reworked totally. As they did with top tiers recently. We need more spacing between those machnes
Yeah i see your point, however the t541947/m48/megach1/2/shot(cent mk3) at 7.7 to be far superior to the m60s t54 49/51 the 8.0 counterparts basically, they get multiple down tiers and the 1 uptier you get usualy winds down to max 3 8.0 players, maybe im just blessed and never see 8.3 or 8.7 when i play 7.7 maybe im about to jinx myself now, but main reason why i completely stopped playing israel was the 8.0 match making, it is imo miserable.
Yeah i also totally agree that there needs to be much more variable BRs when it comes to end of ww2 korea and vietnam, as it stands i think its terrible
its just that israeli 8.0 is bad.
tho israely tech tree is dead tbh. Nothing good compared to others except the M51s.
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Conqueror has a slow reload, and centurions are not the most heavily armoured MBTs at their ranks and their guns are only 84mm while most others at the BR are 100mm or 105mm and lack HEAT/FS and HE options and APHE in the case of some of the other 7.7/80s. They also lag a bit in terms of mobility.
most of these are either lightly armored or premium so have the noob tax cut on their BRs.
The Centurion Mk10 has all the problems of the other Centurions but a bigger gun.
But like a lot of BRs this one is a compressed mess caused by years of player stat balancing, it certainly could use some cleaning up.
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Love the M-51 it is one of my most profitable tabks i have used (tech tree version) wifh 100k sl per match.
But yes I can total see why israel tech tree is left behind, rank 5 alone kills the entire tech tree.
But i still think the 8.0 line up is doomed, there is no such thing as 10.0 BR line up, yeah germany has leo 2k and rat 90 but everyone else either has 1 IFV or 1 premium at 10.0, which leads to 9.0 to have field day with 8.0 to 8.7, most 9.3s are the ones paying the price for the 9.0 just like 8.0 having bad time because of 7.7
Area around 8.0 is just heavily compressed.
Stabilization is a huge deal and lack thereof will limit your playstyles, especially in lobbies infested with full stabilization.
This is one of the major problems left when it comes to compression.
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100% it also doesnt help that the best tank at 8.0 to 8.7 brs are anti airs lol they are so many gepards, xm246, falcon/za-35 and amx 30 that just roll over everyone in lobies with 7 to 9 kills as long as they dont get uptier and get clapped by heavily armored mbts
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true. But if it was just stabs, it would not be a problem. the promlem is that 8.3 and 8.7 tanks are SO far away with techs that it makes 7.7-8.0 suffer hugely. Them 8.3-8.7 have APFSDS, Stab, LRF, sometimes even thermals. And sometimes they have armor or a pretty unbeatable mobility, fast aim speed. So them old tanks just cant compete - if the T-34-85 meets the king tiger, it can shoot off its barrel, it can try flanking it, ect. When T-54 meets the M60 RISE it can just J out as cant pen, cant shoot off barrel as it has stab and will shoot first 99% times, cant flank as mobility aint that better. And the RISE-P is one of the worst.
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Yes, technology gap is insane there.
Just a textbook example of compression.
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Dont forget the clean 8x zoom on the m60a3 tts with its thermal
Now try playing AMX-30B2 or BRENUS.
No stabilization in stab oriented BR automatically locks you into one single playstyle that is sniping.
You can’t even engage in sniping duels properly.
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Oh yeah 8.0 to 8.7 french line up just get dumpstered when you compare the actual tanks and not player skill
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They do have their advantages but they aren’t as easy to play. For the average player those tanks aren’t really great though.
The worst offender imo is the fact that obj-906 and char25t are somehow both 8.0
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906 at 8.0 is a joke.
Yeah I head enough char25t to 12.7.
But seriously I played the 25t yesterday and the only thing it has over the 906 is the ability to survive some strafing runs if they strafe you headon.
The 906 has the same reload, great aphe as well as heat and also the stabiliser that enables way faster reaction times. While the char25t has a famously wobbly oscillating turret.
I genuinely don’t get why the Bat had to be moved up to 8.0. It was fine at 7.7. And speaking as someone who has recently spaded the 906, that thing is demonic at 8.0. Don’t even have to take any HEAT (thankfully) to absolutely dominate.
I actually had pretty decent fun playing 8.0-8.7 France. They aren’t most players cup of tea for sure, but the AMX-30 platform has mobility on par if not better then the Leo 1 and far better then anything Soviet or American. Combine that with a coax 20 for dealing with pesky helis and lights and they’re pretty decent even without the stab.
The AMX-10 is a great racecar with excellent depression because of its hydropneumatic suspension.
And the SK-105 is just plain stupid fun. You get Japanese MBT firepower (comparatively) at a BR where you can’t ever meet even a Type 90. You only miss the stab.
French tax. Same reason the amx-13 had to go up to 7.0
Yes you don’t need it but you have the option to use it which makes a difference if you cannot penetrate an enemy.