Something I genuinely wonder is how can tanks with no stabilizers sit at higher BR than tanks with stabilizers, Like T-54s, leo/of40, M60/megach 3/3ERA/5/6/6A, Tiran 4/4s, char 25t, DF105, and type 59 all sit at 8.0, while we got tanks like the fv4202 with stab at 7.3, cent mk3, caernarvon, my beloved conqueror all sit at 7.7, and now the most offensive one being the new bardelas at 7.7 with stab and the shell of T95E1 (which sits at 8.3 with no stab) and than we got other tanks at 8.0 that do have stab like the Type 69, TO-55, cent mk10, vickers mk1 and object 906.
lets be honest here, currently the 7.7 is the king, they get 9 matches beating the heck out of 6.7 and 1 match of 8.3 and getting dunked by the AAA, and I honestly dont know how this can be fixed, like do we move these tanks to 7.7 and make them the meta? do we move up all vehicles that have stab to 8.3? if we move them down to 7.7 at list they wont get abused by the 9.0 vehicles right now that outclass them in every possible way, like imo the 2 worst brs that get absolutely trashed in up tier is 2.7BR getting owned by 3.7 heavies and the 8.0 getting dunked by anything that is .3 BR higher than itself (lets not even touch the helicopters and other shenanigans lol)I honestly don’t see any good solution here
wa… what? THe 60mm APFSDS? what a joke, the box with -2 which cant shoot straight at move as it “jumps” on rocks, and the heavilly armored survivable MBT-alike with 90mm APFSDS?
we do nuthin. 8.0 delets 7.0-7.7 massively, as they are MBTs - M60s whistand shots of 7.0-7.3 well, Leopards outrun anything and have rangefinder, T-54s are pain to fight with lower tiers.
And then them 8.0 get deleted with 8.7-9.0
the 8.3s sid in the middle of that with middle stats with either stabs or good ammunition/thermals/good armor. They are pain to play agains with 7.7s and are pain to play agains 9.0-9.3
This bracket where WW2 meets Korea and Korea meets Nam in literally 4 br steps just needs to be reworked totally. As they did with top tiers recently. We need more spacing between those machnes
Yeah i see your point, however the t541947/m48/megach1/2/shot(cent mk3) at 7.7 to be far superior to the m60s t54 49/51 the 8.0 counterparts basically, they get multiple down tiers and the 1 uptier you get usualy winds down to max 3 8.0 players, maybe im just blessed and never see 8.3 or 8.7 when i play 7.7 maybe im about to jinx myself now, but main reason why i completely stopped playing israel was the 8.0 match making, it is imo miserable.
Yeah i also totally agree that there needs to be much more variable BRs when it comes to end of ww2 korea and vietnam, as it stands i think its terrible
Conqueror has a slow reload, and centurions are not the most heavily armoured MBTs at their ranks and their guns are only 84mm while most others at the BR are 100mm or 105mm and lack HEAT/FS and HE options and APHE in the case of some of the other 7.7/80s. They also lag a bit in terms of mobility.
most of these are either lightly armored or premium so have the noob tax cut on their BRs.
The Centurion Mk10 has all the problems of the other Centurions but a bigger gun.
But like a lot of BRs this one is a compressed mess caused by years of player stat balancing, it certainly could use some cleaning up.
Love the M-51 it is one of my most profitable tabks i have used (tech tree version) wifh 100k sl per match.
But yes I can total see why israel tech tree is left behind, rank 5 alone kills the entire tech tree.
But i still think the 8.0 line up is doomed, there is no such thing as 10.0 BR line up, yeah germany has leo 2k and rat 90 but everyone else either has 1 IFV or 1 premium at 10.0, which leads to 9.0 to have field day with 8.0 to 8.7, most 9.3s are the ones paying the price for the 9.0 just like 8.0 having bad time because of 7.7
Area around 8.0 is just heavily compressed.
Stabilization is a huge deal and lack thereof will limit your playstyles, especially in lobbies infested with full stabilization.
This is one of the major problems left when it comes to compression.
100% it also doesnt help that the best tank at 8.0 to 8.7 brs are anti airs lol they are so many gepards, xm246, falcon/za-35 and amx 30 that just roll over everyone in lobies with 7 to 9 kills as long as they dont get uptier and get clapped by heavily armored mbts
true. But if it was just stabs, it would not be a problem. the promlem is that 8.3 and 8.7 tanks are SO far away with techs that it makes 7.7-8.0 suffer hugely. Them 8.3-8.7 have APFSDS, Stab, LRF, sometimes even thermals. And sometimes they have armor or a pretty unbeatable mobility, fast aim speed. So them old tanks just cant compete - if the T-34-85 meets the king tiger, it can shoot off its barrel, it can try flanking it, ect. When T-54 meets the M60 RISE it can just J out as cant pen, cant shoot off barrel as it has stab and will shoot first 99% times, cant flank as mobility aint that better. And the RISE-P is one of the worst.
But seriously I played the 25t yesterday and the only thing it has over the 906 is the ability to survive some strafing runs if they strafe you headon.
The 906 has the same reload, great aphe as well as heat and also the stabiliser that enables way faster reaction times. While the char25t has a famously wobbly oscillating turret.