Not too mention the f14 engine have less thrust in game then what they have in real life
This doesn’t say with what variables, so it’s not useful. Engine thrust is not a static number
The F-14D manual states 30,200 lbs per engine at 0.9 Mach at sea level. I’m currently trying to get it declassified.
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Snort said in an interview why he said no to AIM-120 at that time. He was one of the people that made the decisions .
And he says, why implement AIM-120 , when you already have the Phoenix?
If AIM-120 was that much better at that time (A/B models) be sure that they would have used them. We are talking around 1990 and the Tomcat retired 2006, that’s 15 years.
Also, I/we are somewhat wrong about the name… F-14D has the variant AIM-54C+ High Powered Phoenix , which is full digital missile and the upgrade took part side by side with AMRAAM.
Edit: You understand that when i say more powerful, i mean better range/ safer to use with as high accuracy/reliability etc. I’m not saying it’s better for a dogfight…
https://www.navair.navy.mil/node/12701
Read if you want.
Also in general for planes/missiles a good listen is fighter pilot podcast…You will learn a lot of things books do not say .
What do you mean you try to get it Declassified? Tell them you need it for a game! And they don’t like “trust me bro” sources… you need the paper.
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I have the paper. It’s just export restricted so Gaijin can’t use it.
so a totally different missile than the aim54c we have ingame?
"AIM-54C+ High Power Phoenix
Improved variant developed by Hughes for F-14D. Contains internal heaters, which eliminates need for temperature conditioning liquid, high-power Traveling Wave Tube (TWT) transmitter adapted from the AIM-120 AMRAAM, and low-sidelobe antenna. Latest version of RPM substitutes 6 ultra-high-speed computer chips for 45 of earlier, less-capable chips. Full-scale development began in August 1987.
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doesn’t really state if it was better than aim120 or not
could also mean it just got equal to an aim120 + range and explosive power
Yeap and from AIM-54C ECCM/Sealed which can be used from F-14B.
No, it’s a different missile that have different parameters. You could shoot it from 100km in high success, you would shoot AIM-120A at 20km …
Phoenix could literally top down you in most occasions, it doesn’t need to be agile.
AIM-120 was the successor of Sparrow and never really went close to Phoenix range until AIM-120C-7.
And it’s not optimum to shoot a Phoenix in 10km range, where AMRAAM is fine.
Snort said they didn’t need the AMRAAM , because they had Phoenix… You don’t need something when you have something equal or better. Especially when we are talking about safety and winning wars.
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He’s talking about in real life. America’s best tomcat pilot, Dale “Snort” Snodgrass. He was a very good pilot and showed the world the F-14 was a very capable plane. He was also a high ranking official in the navy, so he became the F-14 community advocate. He was the one the suggested the AMRAAM be put aside, because LANTIRN integration was much more valued at the time and made sure the Tomcat stayed in service longer. The reason he did that was because in real life, the Phoenix C was superior to the AMRAAM and the AMRAAM wasn’t bringing any new capabilities to the tomcat.
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See I can believe you cause you provided good sources before so I believe that then also I take back that dude was probably hating on the f14 too but still should’ve have strongly recommended the araam modification
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that would certainly help, aim 9l to f14a and aim9m to f14b
real life the Aim54c was a 25g missile, if aim54s were 25gs in game(impossible as gaijin doesnt model dual plane) they would be significantly stronger
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Yup. But I find it funny that Gaijin can pick and choose how to balance certain things that lack features. Like for example: They added the J-8F and F-16C with Fox-1s even though they couldn’t use them in real life. Why? Because the feature wasn’t in the game yet and it was for balance. So why can’t they add the 25G to the Phoenix until they model it for all missiles? Well, I think we all know why. (Hint: Because they hate the F-14/Phoenix)
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I would say them and the community hate the f14 and try to nerf when ever possible
They could add the f14d now combined with proper aim54c+
F14a/b just don’t belong in the 13.0-14.0 Bracket
So all to many buffs and you would just end up with an overtired plane(better aim54c and aim9m which some people have been asking for)
In the 13.0-14.0 Range
you need a Very good plane
A Very good Radar
Very good missiles (r27er)or fox 3
And you need at least decent score on two of These
And the f14a/b Radar Is horrible (range and power are pretty much the only real advantages besides tws)
And flight performance is also pretty abyssal
With the F15 Being 100kmh faster across the Board
Unless rule playing as starfighter above 16000meters and sustained turn fights at very low speed
The flight performance is actually pretty good. At high alts/speed you have better turn than everything except for the overperforming EF, Rafale, and J-10. And you match/slightly overperform the F-15C. For dogfighting you have some of the best rates in the entire game using combat/landing flaps and also a very tight turn radius as well which means you get nose on faster and more frequently.
and r73 to iriaf
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its 13.0 so yes, also should remove the r27r as it literally cannot guide it
Remove R-27R means it should get 6 Fakours
I dont know wether it even can carry 6 fakour. We do however know it cannot use r27r as its impossible for the f14s radar to guide it.
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