The F-5E is awful in 2024 and you're doing good in it because people is bad, not because it is good

never had any problem with any guns in game, mostly because i don’t like using HE rounds but AP rounds which have their usefulness much more than what most people thinks about :)

f5e is super good, use AP belts for its guns to shred planes internals
missiles are ok
it gets easier gun aiming with radar lock
it has acceptable speed good turns and very good energy retention
F5 isnt supposed to be great its just mid/good in everything and that makes it awesome

@Smin1080p or @Stona_WT can you end this argument this Is a very 1 sided argument (against the poster) and i admit it’s fun to watch but it’s infuriating someone can’t shut up and accept defeat.

Should have worded that differently, also don’t ping them in the chat like that. Just PM someone (preferably at a lower level than senior) to deal with it.

Yeah, usually pacifica deals with things like this. Wonder where they’ve been? Hope they’re doing well.

I’ve been having to PM’ing threads to him get them taken care of.

This forum needs to be cleaned up of all his threads.

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Oh yeah, definitely

TBH, Mantis plays a valuable role as the forum clown. Cause everytime he posts, people stop arguing to go dunk on him, really brings everyone together.

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my blud keeps expecting an attack jet to win against a fighter mafia design

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this “forum clown”
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when I said that f-5e guns are bad. Two aces ruined because guess what? M39 are white text guns!!

Well may i disagree,…
He posts things and most of the times comes back with a 5/6/7 kills in a game with said aircraft,…

So complainning on something he works around pretty well serves nothing and should be stopped, to avoid problematics over the individuals.

Most of those being trashing out each others, threatnings, and some more serious points.

Cpt Bel V is passive aggressive and has a condescending attitude towards everyone he doesn’t like. He’s been like this forever even since the old forums. When I came here I was a normal guy looking for help but all I found is “skill issue, git gud, ur bad” and other sorts of mockery. This is like the guy that starts going to twitter to expect global news and ends up getting corrupted. Don’t blame it on me.

lmfao so if defyn posts a 10 kill on an objectively shit aircraft he says it’s bad should we flame his videos and say how good the aircraft is? I play said aircraft right after making the post in order to counter any future “skill issue” points. Because this is the very mentality of this forum, I have my experience in this game and have played both the aircraft that kill me and the ones I struggle with to know which one is better than the other.

Just by judging how the plane flies compared to everything else, do you do good because the plane is good? or because people is bad? if the plane has empirically and objectively worse performance and armament than the competence why would it be considered any good? it’s not that the plane is OP if people aren’t paying attention, get slow in their mach 1.3 delta wings and don’t pre flare every time they go up and down.

All people can disagree on what Defyn or you says over aircrafts,…

And there is people thinking that those aircraft may get better when you know what you’re doing with it.

Yet you look at my disagreeing as:

Because you don’t wanna hear that i’m disagreeing your PoV.

I’m not even doing as good as you do in game, and i don’t care about results,…
I’m caring on what possibilities an aircraft gives to kills others

On this point, be it F-5E, F4F-3/4, F8F-1B, or all other aircrafts you have bringed down on forum, i’m disagreeing.

However, i’m not disagreeing that having Su-25/A-10A at such low BR due to Speed performances is a bullshit considering given ordonnance that flareless aircraft can’t defend from.

Same goes for F-15A being 12.3,… the aircraft is much more capable of killing everyone around than F-14B, thanks to 7M and 9M missiles, and outperform the F-14B on any basic Flight performances.

We can also ask why many good soviet aircrafts of BR 1.7-2.3 have flight perfomances of current 2.7-3.3 aircrafts in other nations.

I remember telling you that HE rounds for AN/M3 is not necessarely the best rounds to use, and hinting you to use AP rounds instead since i had no problem getting with those.

Maybe this goes under your blanket of “unseen non violent answer”, but i’m not giving a Finger on anyone until it is justified on some point.

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Same goes for me or for you, and our foes.

The f-5e situation in a nutshell. This doesn’t make the plane good. It makes everyone you kill in their 11.3+s bad. Which is the point of the post.

All people can disagree on what Defyn or you says over aircrafts,…

and if these “all people” are unable to see why certain plane does so good then they don’t have the rational thinking to analyze. I certainly was on that “woah the sea fury is so good man” when I was in a k4 with six kills and a guy with 230 days of fighter playtime was boom and zooming me into oblivion. Guess what happened? I eventually forced him to leave because even despite I was in a serious disadvantage the sea fury just cannot (it literally cannot, period) Then I thought that the guy was really passive, and bad, so I picked the sea fury and saw it was indeed a dogass plane.

And there is people thinking that those aircraft may get better when you know what you’re doing with it.

Bel, darling, this is the reason why i post my KD and my fresh 6 kill games to prove I do know what I’m doing and usually better than them.

Yet you look at my disagreeing as:

[quote=“Mantis_Religiosa, post:104, topic:108131”]
passive aggressive and has a condescending attitude
[/quote] Because you don’t wanna hear that i’m disagreeing your PoV.

You tend to act cocky sometimes but to be honest after knowing Flying Doctor and the guy that was flaming everyone while gaslighting them into thinking that him going to airfield aa is outsmarting and outplaying, i really think there’s worse people than you.

I’m not even doing as good as you do in game, and i don’t care about results,…
I’m caring on what possibilities an aircraft gives to kills others

You don’t care about the results, so neither do I when I pick a bullshit plane and decide to go brain shut off and enjoy; like I did when I got the f-4e and had 11.0 matches yeeting undefeatable sparrows here and there then rate fighting viggens and mig21s and winning.

On this point, be it F-5E, F4F-3/4, F8F-1B, or all other aircrafts you have bringed down on forum, i’m disagreeing.

I agree with your disagreements, still does not stop you from being wrong.

Same goes for F-15A being 12.3,… the aircraft is much more capable of killing everyone around than F-14B, thanks to 7M and 9M missiles, and outperform the F-14B on any basic Flight performances.

the f-15 eagle is a mixed bag of bullshit and bad, because for once it has the best extending capabilities of any other top tier jet in game, you absolutely peel off. The AIM9M’s have become very random and the aim7m’s are literally useless as much as the radar because unlike soviet radars, nato radars DO SEE CHAFF even if the enemy is not notching. Except the F-18 radar on the tigershark the rest of radars are very much booboo and the aim7m’s themselves only work above 1km of altitude and below 10km of distance, against clear air. Also the f15 wings literally leave the plane without even pulling, below mach.

About the f-14b; it’s a large target, it’s slower than the MiG21 SMT and hot enough to eat r60m’s from behind despite the amount of flares.

Just the fact that a sparrow takes thrice the time to travel the distance an r27er needs plus laughably missing the target makes it very bad. Of course if air RB at top tier today was like air rb when mig15 bis was top tier, the f15 will absolutely demolish ENTIRE LOBBIES alone because it not only has enough flight performance to escape, it can also out dogfight and with 1000 vulcan rounds what can go wrong? Thing is so deadly fast it can safely avoid furballs and pick targets dragging them away from their friendly protection. Too bad there’s missiles and too bad it’s been more than evident that nato missiles are the worst.

We can also ask why many good soviet aircrafts of BR 1.7-2.3 have flight perfomances of current 2.7-3.3 aircrafts in other nations.

I am totally advocacing for uptiering some soviet aircraft now that their armament is pogging.

I remember telling you that HE rounds for AN/M3 is not necessarely the best rounds to use, and hinting you to use AP rounds instead since i had no problem getting with those.

yes, i did. I now use the default belts as you said, they’re still white text guns but give less “hits” than the stealth belts. Now it’s average severe damage and it’s something at least. But sometimes frag defficiency strikes back and makes me spark half hispano rounds on the target and do nothing.

Maybe this goes under your blanket of “unseen non violent answer”, but i’m not giving a Finger on anyone until it is justified on some point.

Not at all, in fact today you’re being somewhat nice, even accidentally agreed with my entire post by posting almighty rooster saying that it’s not the plane, it’s the pilot. Of course, it’s the pilot, that’s why the f-5e being objectively the worst 10.7 fighter, does so good.

Well,… i was more about saying that any BR given today ain’t about planes abilities (which i wish it happens as a rebalance of MiG-21F-13 bullshit at 9.3…) but results, and thus the Pilot factor have been taken into account within those BR rating that Gaijin seems to not care enough to do balance updates.

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