Babe wake up, Mantis_Religiosa has created a new cipe thread
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The irony because the F-5E is heavily overperforming in-game, even outperforming the real world F-20 Tigershark in turn rate.
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heavily overperforming?
how is it “overperforming” when it’s slower, has worse guns, worse missiles and worse engine power??? does blud keep dying to zeroes on his yak3u? does blud keep rate fighting the f5e for five minutes? cause i just came from a match where I started to rate fight a mig21smt and i was about to get it when it hauled ass away without me even being able to catch up because how much engine power the smt has (and how much actually it retains)
f5e in game outperforms the real world tigershark turn rate
every plane in game has a 1.5x turn rate multiplier. The tigershark in game also vastly outrates the f5e. You like to point at it (while being wrong) while ignoring the mig23 mld was limited to 6g’s while in game it pulls 13.
Notice how the tigershark not only rates harder, but also has better nose authority while retaining as good as the tiger.
keep dying to bad planes bud.
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I don’t get why it ever went down to 10.7 in the first place
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Dude… Insulting people is just getting your posts flagged…
F-5E is a super-sonic dogfighter with good overall handling and a great gun…only real limitation is the missiles it has.
But you basically don’t have to worry about putting effort into defeating missiles. I was behind one in the Harrier Gr7 the other day. Fired an Aim-9M at an F5E on full AB and it defeated it with a handful of flares. No evasion required.
It literally just went down to 10.7 from 11.0 and quite frankly, I think that was a mistake. It’s a menace in downtiers.all the F5s are.
Just because you struggle to fly them. Doesn’t mean they are bad and need massive buffs. All the F5s need massive nerfs in the form of actually having a realistic engine temp/exhaust temp.
Try fighting one in a sea harrier FRS1. Literally nothing you can hope to do against one. So what sea harrier FRS1 with 4x aim-9Ls to 9.7?
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So… You can easily and riably get 4+ kills every match and you want it buffed? Really?
How self centered can you be?
“My best performing jet that can get a near ACE every game isn’t good enough. I want it to be 10.3 so I can 1v12 the entire enemy team”
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yeah, unfortunately. They should at least remove it for sim, and maybe even realistic.
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i don’t want it buffed, what makes you think i want a plane buffed? not only you’re plain delusional to expect a ground strike aircraft to outdogfight a dedicated 1v1 aircraft, but you also assume things I did not say and want the f5e to go to 11.0 where it becomes even more of a sitting duck against r27er’s and aim7m’s with just two guns and the two worst gimbaled rear aspect missiles past 10.3, and I am the one self centered. The guy that wants HIS sea harrier to out dogfight a light fighter is calling me self centered.
“My best performing jet that can get a near ACE every game isn’t good enough. I want it to be 10.3 so I can 1v12 the entire enemy team”
you keep putting words in my mouth, that’s not how it works. I said I get a 4 kill game every time I don’t die to a j35xs/viggen/etc because given how much these get spammed, the F-5E is seeing Mirage 2000s more frequently than it does see su25s. I still die in most of these near ace/ace games because there’s always someone with a neuron that knows that the f-5e is just the n1k of supersonic jets.
You’re part of the problem, as so is everyone here that says that f-5e is OP without even knowing why they’re doing so good in a plane with objectively worse flight performance and armament than the competence. You are the reason why j7w1 is at 6.0 despite performing worse than the focke wulf 190 at 4.0, and n1k2ja’s are so overtiered, and why the f104a sits at 9.3 and the gripen got nerfed.
i’m 100 percent in favor of removing the multipliers in realistic. I don’t know how it would affect crew skills. Dogfights would be so much more balanced, and would require real skill. Not like “My MiG23 MLD pulls 14g’s instantly and will plant on your six”.
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get some things right before saying “you insulting is what gets your posts flagged”
you, morvran, you, are the one flagging my posts in order to push narrative and twist my words. You, Morvran, are the one getting offended because you, Morvran, are expecting a harrier to win against an f-5, and you, Morvran, because the f-5 wins the harrier, want it to move alongside j7e, mig23 mld and mig29. I didn’t want to get the f-5e moved down. You, Morvran, you. Are the one that supposed it because i said something that you didn’t like. And you, Morvran, YOU, are the self centered one here. You, because you want YOUR harrier to win against an f-5. The F-4C slaps the harrier, don’t even day dream.
Yes, the in-game F-5E outperforms all real world test data and turn charts. It even outperforms the real life F-20 turn charts.
No, this isn’t the case. The 1.5x multiplier is based on the real world 1.5x G limit safety factor. This doesn’t enhance the performance of fighters in-game, it means they rip their wings at 1.5x the safe G limit stated in the manual. In real life these aircraft wouldn’t likely rip themselves apart at those G limits, they just wouldn’t be permitted to fly again after such stress.
The Tigershark FM is extrapolated from the erroneous F-5E flight model. If you need the F-5E NATOPs (1990) you can get it easily on Google. Compare the in-game turn performance to the manual… It is nearly 3-4 deg/s turn rate too high on average.
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all the aircraft in game outperform the real world ones.
No, this isn’t the case. The 1.5x multiplier is based on the real world 1.5x G limit safety factor. This doesn’t enhance the performance of fighters in-game, it means they rip their wings at 1.5x the safe G limit stated in the manual. In real life these aircraft wouldn’t likely rip themselves apart at those G limits, they just wouldn’t be permitted to fly again after such stress.
No, this isn’t the case. The 1.5x multiplier is based on the real world 1.5x G limit safety factor. This doesn’t enhance the performance of fighters in-game, it means they rip their wings at 1.5x the safe G limit stated in the manual. In real life these aircraft wouldn’t likely rip themselves apart at those G limits, they just wouldn’t be permitted to fly again after such stress.
Oh cool, then tell me how if it’s 1.5x safety why do the wings of the f-15 eagle rip at 12g when they’re rated at 20g irl? or why the MiG23 MLD had a structural limit of 7G where 7*1.5=10.5 and the mld not only does surpass those limits with the instructor (up to 13g) and reach the number of 15g’s when using full real + trim?
The Tigershark FM is extrapolated from the erroneous F-5E flight model. If you need the F-5E NATOPs (1990) you can get it easily on Google. Compare the in-game turn performance to the manual… It is nearly 3-4 deg/s turn rate too high on average.
still the tigershark in game also outperforms the f-5e in game hence your point being invalid.
All I can see said in this thread summed up is: “I am noob that can’t keep speed, and dogfight f-5 instead of giving it the zero treatment” and “f5e is so op because it can out dogfight my strike aircraft, gaijin put 11.0”
Also @AlvisWisla
Sus. I still give benefit of the doubt.
F5e is fine. skill issue to the max.
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I believe the latest Thai Upgrade, the F-5TH does have a new radar with IFF. Though it does sacrifice one of the cannons.
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The fact you do better in literally everything else except the very f-5e speaks loud.
Ah, what a nice morning. The beautiful copepost in the distance… Its amazing…
Absolutely senseless to say “F-5E bad” with a screenshot of “what would be 6 kill” in the OP.
I dontl’t know what to tell you other than you suck at the game. F-5E will club the shit out of nearly everything in the BR bracket as long as you arent fighting a MiG-23MLD, M2000 or F-14. nothing else has that much of a fighting chance in a duel situation.
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my brother in christ stop turn fighting with it.
F-5E will club the shit out of nearly everything in the BR bracket as long as you arent fighting a MiG-23MLD, M2000 or F-14
the list goes on because everything else can run away from it and third party it. Air RB is not about 1v1.
You’re not considering weight differences. Maximum permitted overload is dependent on aircraft weight and loading. The F-15 is rated for 9G with a safety factor of 1.5x which means 9 x 1.5 = 13.5 … Something it can easily do on low fuel. On maximum fuel it is something like 7.33 x 1.5 which equals ~10.9G. These are all in accordance with the manuals.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
I’m not even arguing any of these points but if you want to point out the F-104 syndrome then go ahead. Being able to run all game from someone who can just ground pound and collect a paycheck is annoying. If you can’t beat him in a dogfight or any other way… and your only option is to run… Then you are NOT the superior fighter.
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META jet because you have the whole flight performance package. Your missiles arent the world at 10.7, and even then the 2 AIM-9Js are fine.
High speed energy retention, good turn, i dont know what else i need to say here.
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I dont play the f5e much but okay. XD It’s still my 8th best plane and im average as hell.