I can club with the RoC F-5A which is at 10.7 and the F-5E is just better in every way
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schindbee is saying that the f-5e fcu is a menace because it has good missiles. Hence me saying that the planes with great armament must be considered amazing even if they don’t have the flight performance nor maneuverability to even do something. This is the very mentality that put the n1k2j sea fury and f7f a whole br above where they should be.
once again, you’re clubbing because people is bad and get slow and hyper focused on dogfighting. That’s literally how I got 4kd on the f-5e (now lowered because obvious reasons)
the f-5e can’t even do anything against a MiG19, are you all that delusional to place it to fight daily against mig23 mld’s that rinse it in every single aspect? (its a rhetorical question, because of course, you will do). From the "op m39"s whose shells you can literally outrun, to the shitty two aim9j kit, with the shitty radar and the shitty nose authority coupled with the shitty engine power. The fact that you’re doing good in an objectively inferior plane given it’s objective performance and armament compared to the rest even of it’s very BR, doesn’t make it good, it means that the people you fight against, are bad. But that’s the most basic thing to understand and you’re not getting it yet.
If you really think that something that:
-has four less missiles than the average 10.7-11.7 aircraft
-has the lowest TWR of any aircraft at 10.3-11.7
-has the most draggy and less HE-filled guns in the entire jet cannon arsenal of the game
-is 300kmh slower than the rest of targets
-has the worst placement for flares of any 10.3-11.7 aircraft in game (on the middle of the belly, making it susceptible to eating missiles from above)
-has only 20 flares in which it is fully reliant on since it lacks the privileges to extend, for it has no engine power nor acceptable top speed
is a great vehicle then you have a problem.
The fact that none of you is able to see these things is a serious problem.
But you will keep parroting what the people said when the f-5e was added as if this was reddit and the f5e was still remotely relevant. Just for the fact it’s nearly impossible to aim makes it bad enough to fulfill it’s function. Shit literally refuses to pull.
Babe wake up, Mantis_Religiosa has created a new cipe thread
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The irony because the F-5E is heavily overperforming in-game, even outperforming the real world F-20 Tigershark in turn rate.
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heavily overperforming?
how is it “overperforming” when it’s slower, has worse guns, worse missiles and worse engine power??? does blud keep dying to zeroes on his yak3u? does blud keep rate fighting the f5e for five minutes? cause i just came from a match where I started to rate fight a mig21smt and i was about to get it when it hauled ass away without me even being able to catch up because how much engine power the smt has (and how much actually it retains)
f5e in game outperforms the real world tigershark turn rate
every plane in game has a 1.5x turn rate multiplier. The tigershark in game also vastly outrates the f5e. You like to point at it (while being wrong) while ignoring the mig23 mld was limited to 6g’s while in game it pulls 13.
Notice how the tigershark not only rates harder, but also has better nose authority while retaining as good as the tiger.
keep dying to bad planes bud.
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I don’t get why it ever went down to 10.7 in the first place
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Dude… Insulting people is just getting your posts flagged…
F-5E is a super-sonic dogfighter with good overall handling and a great gun…only real limitation is the missiles it has.
But you basically don’t have to worry about putting effort into defeating missiles. I was behind one in the Harrier Gr7 the other day. Fired an Aim-9M at an F5E on full AB and it defeated it with a handful of flares. No evasion required.
It literally just went down to 10.7 from 11.0 and quite frankly, I think that was a mistake. It’s a menace in downtiers.all the F5s are.
Just because you struggle to fly them. Doesn’t mean they are bad and need massive buffs. All the F5s need massive nerfs in the form of actually having a realistic engine temp/exhaust temp.
Try fighting one in a sea harrier FRS1. Literally nothing you can hope to do against one. So what sea harrier FRS1 with 4x aim-9Ls to 9.7?
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So… You can easily and riably get 4+ kills every match and you want it buffed? Really?
How self centered can you be?
“My best performing jet that can get a near ACE every game isn’t good enough. I want it to be 10.3 so I can 1v12 the entire enemy team”
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yeah, unfortunately. They should at least remove it for sim, and maybe even realistic.
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i don’t want it buffed, what makes you think i want a plane buffed? not only you’re plain delusional to expect a ground strike aircraft to outdogfight a dedicated 1v1 aircraft, but you also assume things I did not say and want the f5e to go to 11.0 where it becomes even more of a sitting duck against r27er’s and aim7m’s with just two guns and the two worst gimbaled rear aspect missiles past 10.3, and I am the one self centered. The guy that wants HIS sea harrier to out dogfight a light fighter is calling me self centered.
“My best performing jet that can get a near ACE every game isn’t good enough. I want it to be 10.3 so I can 1v12 the entire enemy team”
you keep putting words in my mouth, that’s not how it works. I said I get a 4 kill game every time I don’t die to a j35xs/viggen/etc because given how much these get spammed, the F-5E is seeing Mirage 2000s more frequently than it does see su25s. I still die in most of these near ace/ace games because there’s always someone with a neuron that knows that the f-5e is just the n1k of supersonic jets.
You’re part of the problem, as so is everyone here that says that f-5e is OP without even knowing why they’re doing so good in a plane with objectively worse flight performance and armament than the competence. You are the reason why j7w1 is at 6.0 despite performing worse than the focke wulf 190 at 4.0, and n1k2ja’s are so overtiered, and why the f104a sits at 9.3 and the gripen got nerfed.
i’m 100 percent in favor of removing the multipliers in realistic. I don’t know how it would affect crew skills. Dogfights would be so much more balanced, and would require real skill. Not like “My MiG23 MLD pulls 14g’s instantly and will plant on your six”.
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get some things right before saying “you insulting is what gets your posts flagged”
you, morvran, you, are the one flagging my posts in order to push narrative and twist my words. You, Morvran, are the one getting offended because you, Morvran, are expecting a harrier to win against an f-5, and you, Morvran, because the f-5 wins the harrier, want it to move alongside j7e, mig23 mld and mig29. I didn’t want to get the f-5e moved down. You, Morvran, you. Are the one that supposed it because i said something that you didn’t like. And you, Morvran, YOU, are the self centered one here. You, because you want YOUR harrier to win against an f-5. The F-4C slaps the harrier, don’t even day dream.
Yes, the in-game F-5E outperforms all real world test data and turn charts. It even outperforms the real life F-20 turn charts.
No, this isn’t the case. The 1.5x multiplier is based on the real world 1.5x G limit safety factor. This doesn’t enhance the performance of fighters in-game, it means they rip their wings at 1.5x the safe G limit stated in the manual. In real life these aircraft wouldn’t likely rip themselves apart at those G limits, they just wouldn’t be permitted to fly again after such stress.
The Tigershark FM is extrapolated from the erroneous F-5E flight model. If you need the F-5E NATOPs (1990) you can get it easily on Google. Compare the in-game turn performance to the manual… It is nearly 3-4 deg/s turn rate too high on average.
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all the aircraft in game outperform the real world ones.
No, this isn’t the case. The 1.5x multiplier is based on the real world 1.5x G limit safety factor. This doesn’t enhance the performance of fighters in-game, it means they rip their wings at 1.5x the safe G limit stated in the manual. In real life these aircraft wouldn’t likely rip themselves apart at those G limits, they just wouldn’t be permitted to fly again after such stress.
No, this isn’t the case. The 1.5x multiplier is based on the real world 1.5x G limit safety factor. This doesn’t enhance the performance of fighters in-game, it means they rip their wings at 1.5x the safe G limit stated in the manual. In real life these aircraft wouldn’t likely rip themselves apart at those G limits, they just wouldn’t be permitted to fly again after such stress.
Oh cool, then tell me how if it’s 1.5x safety why do the wings of the f-15 eagle rip at 12g when they’re rated at 20g irl? or why the MiG23 MLD had a structural limit of 7G where 7*1.5=10.5 and the mld not only does surpass those limits with the instructor (up to 13g) and reach the number of 15g’s when using full real + trim?
The Tigershark FM is extrapolated from the erroneous F-5E flight model. If you need the F-5E NATOPs (1990) you can get it easily on Google. Compare the in-game turn performance to the manual… It is nearly 3-4 deg/s turn rate too high on average.
still the tigershark in game also outperforms the f-5e in game hence your point being invalid.
All I can see said in this thread summed up is: “I am noob that can’t keep speed, and dogfight f-5 instead of giving it the zero treatment” and “f5e is so op because it can out dogfight my strike aircraft, gaijin put 11.0”
Also @AlvisWisla
Sus. I still give benefit of the doubt.
F5e is fine. skill issue to the max.
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I believe the latest Thai Upgrade, the F-5TH does have a new radar with IFF. Though it does sacrifice one of the cannons.
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The fact you do better in literally everything else except the very f-5e speaks loud.
Ah, what a nice morning. The beautiful copepost in the distance… Its amazing…
Absolutely senseless to say “F-5E bad” with a screenshot of “what would be 6 kill” in the OP.
I dontl’t know what to tell you other than you suck at the game. F-5E will club the shit out of nearly everything in the BR bracket as long as you arent fighting a MiG-23MLD, M2000 or F-14. nothing else has that much of a fighting chance in a duel situation.
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my brother in christ stop turn fighting with it.
F-5E will club the shit out of nearly everything in the BR bracket as long as you arent fighting a MiG-23MLD, M2000 or F-14
the list goes on because everything else can run away from it and third party it. Air RB is not about 1v1.