The F-5C is no longer good

[Stockholm_Blend]

@Boeing747Cultist

the opposite like saying all harriers are bad while the gr7 is one of the best dogfighter aircraft in the game even without viffing

Well, GR.5/7/9 and GR.1/3 are WAY DIFFERENT planes.
Oh, you blundered badly, maybe because you have ZERO interest in British planes. right?

@Boeing747Cultist

move them down without flares

@Boeing747Cultist

f5a chinze

WTH are you talking about, unlike these shameless American variants, F-5 from ROCAF was well equipped with flares.

Their F-5 fleets were a REASON why F-5C became a gross abomination.

Originally, the Chinese F-5A was added without flares, and there was a bug report that they were capable of.
Then Gaijin decided to give their countermeasure to the American F-5A/C. :/

@Boeing747Cultist

Also yes, 770 celsius is quite hot, it’s just the heat signature being very small because the engines themselves are very small.

Strange, Harriers’ heat-sigs were small enough in IRL, but those jets are having an infamous reputation of being missile magnets instead in WT.
While F-5C just tap a flare button and flares every missile at ease.

[Boeing747Cultist]

Well, GR.5/7/9 and GR.1/3 are WAY DIFFERENT planes.
Oh, you blundered badly, maybe because you have ZERO interest in British planes. right?

I do have interest in british planes, in fact i have made uncountable threads on how the sea fury is probably the worst prop in the entire game as it is a 5.7 that has 3.3 performance other than the straight line speed it takes twice time to reach compared to other 4.0s, the problem is I don’t really like playing things that are only missile trucks. Do you have interest into anything that is not an attacker? Or are you going to play the victim constantly? You just fly attackers? then stop complaining that a fighter gets you, if the f-5c gets you then the j7d, j8b, the kfir canard, the mig21 smt and the j35xs get you twice as much, just suck it up and deal with your choices.

WTH are you talking about, unlike these shameless American variants, F-5 from ROCAF was well equipped with flares.

Cool. Move it to 10.3, why is it 11.0 literally everyone at 10.3 (except of course, americans) have four 20g missiles.

Strange, Harriers’ heat-sigs were small enough in IRL, but those jets are having an infamous reputation of being missile magnets instead in WT.

I see harriers irl and i can tell you they’re impossible to photograph from behind because they leave a haze plume as big as a building. I say it’s VERY odd that something that moves that much volume of air with FOUR NOZZLES has “a small heat signature”

While F-5C just tap a flare button and flares every missile at ease.

F-5s have tiny engines and move little air, it’s normal for them to have small heat signatures. Whether the signature is 1/3rd the real size, it might be true, but still definitely not big.

I’ve managed to make f-5c’s eat r60m’s head on and r13m’s from the back while they flared. Maybe you should try getting close to them, or hear me out! F-5C is busy “being OP out dogfighting everyone” then just third party it! you can just missile it from far away while it’s busy dogfighting, it’s how i deal with them even on su-25. If Su-25 is worse than say an av8a why wouldn’t you do any good on a gr3? F-5C is a completely irrelevant plane, first of all because of the numbers: there’s at maximum two f-5c’s per team, and secondly because of it’s completely anti meta playstyle and anti meta weapons. All in all, yes, the f-5c is no longer good.

If you think the f-5c is the problem when it’s at the same br bracket as stuff like the mig23 ML, the j8b, the j7d and the mig21smt then you’re being distracted from these, which are the real issue. The J7D is pure cancer, can outdogfight everything that is not a j35 and even if you admit it is op you still focus on the f-5c, a plane that even an f-4e can outdogfight by abusing it’s engine power and superior high speed maneuverability.

[ChorizoBlanco]

This thing should never touch 10.3 again ever, 10.7 is already pushing it by a lot. If I were you I’d stop bringing attention to any F5 since they are more 11.0 worthy than 10.3 by a landslide. Anyone that doesn’t do great on the F5 is pain and simple due to skill issue.

[Boeing747Cultist]

absolute skill issue, the mig21s and mirages of 10.3 STOMP the f-5c in every single regard.

Anyone that doesn’t do great on the F5 is pain and simple due to skill issue.

Except I do better than most of the people in this topic, for your own disgrace. SO yes, I can say the f-5C (and to a lesser extent the f-5e) are garbage.

Go back to Reddit if you still project current times as if they were from 4 years ago.

[Stockholm_Blend]

@Boeing747Cultist

I do have interest in british planes

Oh really, then why didn’t you know that Brits have no planes to dogfight against F-5C in the BR radius of F-5C?

Your former claim about GR.7 was delusional enough in the level of believing P-51C and F-82D as the same plane.
We Brits categorised them as the same Harrier category, but those two are not the same plane.
GR.5/7/9 are variants of Harrier II. not Harrier variants like GR.1/3 did.

And thanks to better FM by a larger wing, GR.7 were a fine dogfighter until the F-16A came down to the same 12.3BR.

Just, they were too slow for a fight on [larger maps for sim] in ARB. Well, those are still subsonics.
And the ammo count of ADEN 25 is a bit low.

@Boeing747Cultist

Do you have interest into anything that is not an attacker?

Yes? I think I claimed I flew with Mirage in-game a few days ago. But seems you didn’t hear because your ears were covered with a big arrogant mind.
I prefer playing attackers, but as long as I have fighters who aren’t spaded yet or fun to play with. Why would I need to play Strike Jets only?

Unless tech tree itself is forcing me to play attacker and fight against F-5.

@Boeing747Cultist

You just fly attackers? then stop complaining that a fighter gets you, if the f-5c gets you then the j7d, j8b, the kfir canard, the mig21 smt and the j35xs get you twice as much, just suck it up and deal with your choices.

I think I explained this part too I think

IN BR RADIUS OF F-5, THERE IS NO OPTION TO FLY WITH FIGHTER JET WHEN YOU PLAY THE BRITISH TECH TREE ffs.

Oh, then, how about that.
You chose to fly F-5C, then just suck it up and deal with your choices.

[Boeing747Cultist]

h really, then why didn’t you know that Brits have no planes to dogfight against F-5C in the BR radius of F-5C?

True, but are you still ignoring my point that if you can’t dogfight an f-5c you won’t dogfight either a j35xs or a j7d. You can reverse an f-5c or easier an f-5e if you have some sort of skills and trajectories in something like a jaguar gr1 but I doubt you even put any interest into that because you literally prefer to ground attack. You still have the chance to get the f-5e since you’re within America’s tier and get some good fun but literally you only play ground pounding planes across all the BR’s, and you don’t even touch tank or ship battles, so it’s all your fault.

Yes, I’m a toxic fighter main, Deal with it.

Yes? I think I claimed I flew with Mirage in-game a few days ago. But seems you didn’t hear because your ears were covered with a big arrogant mind.

oh yes you flew a plane couple times, did good because it’s meta and to shut my mouth and then forget about it, not arrogant just a pattern knower in this case, tho yes I can get arrogant and rightfully so when people call me shit despite they’re doing worse than I do.

Unless tech tree itself is forcing me to play attacker and fight against F-5.

Pluh.
You have F-8, F-4E, F-5E in America (planes you can still access to but you still prefer Vark and Thud.
You have MiG21SMT in Russia yet you preferred to deviate the grind to three attackers: su25, mig27 and su17.
You have MiG19S in Germany (a goated dogfighter that claps both f-5s in a 1v1 and that can further unlock you the mig21 mf) but you instead chose the mig23bn
You have the Mirage IIIC in France which can lead you to the Mirage IIIE which not as good of a dogfighter but still can run trains on the f5c by doing scissors or slinging magic wands on it while it’s busy dogfighting. But yet you chose to main THE MILAN of all planes.

This is what I mean about pattern recognition. Way to go, keep making the excuse of britain having no fighters between 10.0 and 12.0.

Oh, then, how about that.
You chose to fly F-5C, then just suck it up and deal with your choices.

I am sucking it up, That’s why I keep flying it. Are you THIS entitled to demean my posts and saying “naaa it’s OP! I can’t dogfight anything because i have nothing!” but I cannot say that the f-5c is NOT meta?

[Stockholm_Blend]

@Boeing747Cultist

F-8, F-4E, F-5E in America (planes you can still access to but you still prefer Vark and Thud.

@Boeing747Cultist

MiG21SMT in Russia yet you preferred to deviate the grind to three attackers: su25, mig27 and su17.

@Boeing747Cultist

MiG19S in Germany (a goated dogfighter that claps both f-5s in a 1v1 and that can further unlock you the mig21 mf) but you instead chose the mig23bn

Because I didn’t unlocked any of these fighter examples you showed, excluding F8U YET?

@Boeing747Cultist

THE MILAN

1. It was my first french premium jet so I used it for grind low rank of france.

2. It is one of easiest way to burn boosters from battle pass in mindless way if you bomb :/

3. Milan itself is not that bad as fighter too.
   Using mirage III fuselage but engines were upgraded to 9K-50 which are used on F1C later, and that mustashe canard gives some advantage than IIIC in low speed.

Just IIIC fits better for meta. (Now I am working on spading it.)

[ron_23]

@Boeing747Cultist

absolute skill issue, the mig21s and mirages of 10.3 STOMP the f-5c in every single regard.

that is just a blatant lie the F-5C has better energy retention, better sustained turn rate and better instantainous turn rate

if you lose to a Mig-21MF in the F-5C it is infact a skill issue
same goes for the Mig-21SMT and for the Mirage 3

but for the Mirage 3 you need at least a bit of skill in the 1v1 and you cant just auto win against it unlike with the Migs

[Boeing747Cultist]

ron_23 keeps ignoring my stats and taking into account that a plane that turns tighter nullifies a superior turn rate if it starts frontally.

Let me put it this way: If you lose to a f-5c in a plane that not only turns inside it but can also energy trap it, scissor it, falling leaf it and run away from it after failing the first flat turn, you’re just as much prone to dying to zeroes in a corsair. But everyone updoot this fella, who’s just NEGATIVE in the f-5c while almost hitting 2kd on mig21 bis.

Son, dogfighting is not the meta past 10.0, and if your plane is a dedicated dogfighter what’s very likely to happen is that it will get a missile shoved up it’s nozzle at any given time.

But the problem of the f-5 is that it’s not really “the dogfighter”, even if it has “better turn rate than the mig21mf” turn rate dictates nothing in a real world scenario. Most fighters at it’s br beat it in rolling scissors or one circle with ease, or in the case of phantom E and mig23ML: vertically.

The f-5c and the f-5e were built to 1v1 MiG21s in the Vietnam War, not to face six MiG23 ML’s carrying borderline undefeatable radar missiles and ten j7d’s carrying four hard to deal with Pi Li 5b’s that nuke anything if they’re launched from 5km away.

My main experience on the f-5c is getting missiled while i’m about to kill someone, my main experience on f-5e is losing all my team while i keep getting more and more enemies stuck to my ass because yes, rate fighting or dogfighting as a whole is a substantial loss of time that not only reduces the already near-zero battle presence of the f-5’s but it also makes it impossible to win the match. The other positive experience (if we can call it that) is me getting people fine and dandy for being shot down and some meta compliant plane swooshes by at mach 1.1 and takes four of them in a go with all four of it’s missiles. This is called having no battle presence.

The F-5s are slow, have the turn radius of a city and have probably the worst guns across the entire rank 7/8, literal plinkers that are only good at taking other f-5s because their damage models is now so bad that sneezing near them is enough to cut their control wires off.

And you think i’m talking from the perspective of the losing f-5c/e, oh no, i talk from both perspectives because the situation of 1v16 is canon and I end up being more often than not the one that gets kill frenzy and teamkills someone while tailgating the last enemy, an f-5 in the enemy team.

[Normandy_Corsair]

@Boeing747Cultist

absolute skill issue, the mig21s and mirages of 10.3 STOMP the f-5c in every single regard.

ironic as hell, also completely false and the f5 curb stomps most of these in a dogfight

[Boeing747Cultist]

the mig21 has higher thrust weight ratio at 20 minutes of fuel than the f-5c at 15.

[ron_23]

@Boeing747Cultist

ron_23 keeps ignoring my stats and taking into account that a plane that turns tighter nullifies a superior turn rate if it starts frontally.

Boeing747Cultist keeps ignoring facts in favor of stats that dont matter

if the 10.3 Migs are so good why is your KD in it worse than the F-5C?

@Boeing747Cultist

The f-5c and the f-5e were built to 1v1 MiG21s in the Vietnam War, not to face six MiG23 ML’s carrying borderline undefeatable radar missiles

that is totally irrelevant as that is not what you complained about you are moving the goalpost after me pointing out that you are wrong

[Boeing747Cultist]

if the 10.3 Migs are so good why is your KD in it worse than the F-5C?

Because I don’t focus on stat sweating obviously good planes. This is why I have bad stats on spitfires and ki84s while I have high stats on things like sea fury and n1k2.

that is totally irrelevant as that is not what you complained about you are moving the goalpost after me pointing out that you are wrong

This is the most relevant thing about the post because it’s what makes the f-5c or the f-5e NO LONGER GOOD, because it no longer faces mig21s, but mig23s and f-4s with insane missiles and 300kmh faster at sea level literally every match

[ron_23]

@Boeing747Cultist

This is the most relevant thing about the post because it’s what makes the f-5c or the f-5e NO LONGER GOOD, because it no longer faces mig21s, but mig23s and f-4s with insane missiles and 300kmh faster at sea level literally every match

are the japanese props good because they are faster than everyone?
no they are not

they are better because they can win the dogfight

and if you cant do that in the most potent flightmodel at the br you just have a massive skill issue

@Boeing747Cultist

if the 10.3 Migs are so good why is your KD in it worse than the F-5C?

Because I don’t focus on stat sweating obviously good planes. This is why I have bad stats on spitfires and ki84s while I have high stats on things like sea fury and n1k2.

so stats only matter if it is convinient for you?

gotta give you 10/10 for arguing in bad faith

so why is me having not so stellar stats in a jet i basically never played an issue then?

[Boeing747Cultist]

are the japanese props good because they are faster than everyone?
no they are not

The Ki84 is literally as fast as the griffon spitfires and can be reversed by a yak3, the a7m2 is as fast as a 109 g6 and can be reversed by a fw190D9. Is the J5N1 fast or a good dogfighter? no, and it gets out fought by anything that is not a ta152c-3 or a sea fury. Is the j7w1 fast or a good dogfighter? no. Is the n1k2 fast or a good dogfighter? hell, it’s a high alt fighter being fastest at 6km and the SPITFIRE LF MK9 is still 4kmh FASTER than it and also accelerates better and the f8f turns better than it above 400 IAS AND THE SPITFIRE lf mk9 turns better than it at all speeds.

they are better because they can win the dogfight

Translated: You literally turn fight zeroes and think that all japanese planes = turn fighters. The Ki84 is an energy fighter, the a7m2 is a boom and zoomer with good low speed turn, the j7w1 is a strict boom and zoomer, the j5n1 is a bad attempt at a hornet mk3 with the climb rate of the typhoon m1b.

and if you cant do that in the most potent flightmodel at the br you just have a massive skill issue

Does tro really think that the zero is the most potent flight model in the br? Shall i remind you that i’m between 2 and 4kd on japanese props nobody plays for how bad they are?

and if you cant do that in the most potent flightmodel at the br you just have a massive skill issue

Because this argument is flat out wrong? Everyone with a synapse starts getting like 5kd’s the first ten matches then it usually goes down because of stock syndrome and of course battle count. If you did this shitly in an already spaded plane that you claim to be so good because it wins dogfights then you are the one with a chronic case of skill issue.

[ron_23]

funny how you dodge the most important question in that message
and rather missinterpret what i say, of course i meant the zeros but that would have been inconvinient for your argument wouldnt it?

i guess it is not so nice getting called out for your blatand hypocricies

[Boeing747Cultist]

you added that question some time after

talking about bad faith and hypocrisy.

You’re slandering at this point.

Git gud, stop turning with zeroes if you can outpace and third party them. Stop turning with f-5s if you can out pace them or missile/gun third party them. That’s how the game goes.

[ron_23]

@Boeing747Cultist

Git gud, stop turning with zeroes if you can outpace and third party them. Stop turning with f-5s if you can out pace them or missile/gun third party them. That’s how the game goes.

sure

come one 1v1 me in the F-5C and you in the Mig-21SMT
it shouldnt be any broblem with how bad the F-5C is

[Boeing747Cultist]

aight. Pull up, i’m online.

[ron_23]

@Boeing747Cultist

talking about bad faith and hypocrisy.

you are still dodging the question
come on awnser it