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F-5?
Worst 10.7/11.0? Yeesh
Im sorry but in normal AirRB conditions , dying to the AV-8C should be very rare IF you know what you are doing.
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Firstly, OP is a known ragebaiter who makes posts like this daily to basically engagement farm. You shouldnt ever take anything he says seriously. Secondly, if you are overperforming in a vehicle compared to your own stats in other vehicles at similar BR’s, that is a pretty good indicator that a certain vehicle is stronger than the rest, and the opposite is the same, not always, but in more extreme circumstances where he has nearly a 5 k/d in th F-5C, then barely scrapes a 2k/d in several other vehicles around the BR, it is a pretty clear sign. There is no “catch 22” statement here, its really just simple correlation. No idea what you are going on about youtube videos for.
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Dying to an F-5 should be very rare if you know what you’re doing.
Low tier ragebait
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F5C is, (i assume since i didnt play it) slightly worse than the F5E, in exchange for being 0.3 BR lower.
Id say thats a very fair trade for how capable the airframe is, even if the engines are kinda weak.
It’s a shaky correlation. Because you can easily argue that even if he was good in all the other aircraft he flew. That “Because he’s better in this aircraft compared to his others it doesn’t matter.” When it could just be that he generally likes flying that aircraft more than others or he took the time to learn it’s ins and outs more.
Credentialism/‘authority’. It’s not completely uncommon for me to see someone bring up a youtuber as word of God because he discussed something similar and they use him as a source. I see this a lot with people using Adam or DEFYN, especially with DEFYN as a lot of his takes I disagree with.
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iirc, the E has EEGS and Aim-9Js
The C has Aim-9Es and a lighter airframe.
Either way, they’re both not really good. They’re kinda slow having a max speed of just mach 1.03, their missiles obviously suck, and their dogfighting ability is mid at best.
the main problem is that both f-5c and f-5e do not fit the meta. Held back by the missiles, that worsen their battle presence to near zero, zero or negative. The newer f-5s have lighter airframes, better engines and better missiles while sharing br. But the major problem is the J7D, which out dogfights the f-5c, has four 35g mach 3 missiles and is basically a mig21smt with more flares at the br the mig21smt should already be, but with missiles that should place it at 11.0. BTW m39s had a single month of glory after the gun goofup but now they’re back at being hyperdrag plinkers once more. I’d take GSh23L any day even if it comes out slower than m39 it keeps its speed eventually making it faster in the long run and reaches further too.
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I cant speak for others, but my best RB plane performance is with the Swiss F-5E , and im not exactly a bright player.
Dont know what you keep ranting about there but go king.
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Apparently you didn’t read the part where I said that the newer f-5s have better missiles and have been BR’d quite low.
The F-5E (USA) used to see MiG29s and F-16s it couldn’t win against. The German F-5E got added on it’s prime times. The F-5C is anemic and has anemic missiles. Last time I went on F-5E in July i got an ace and never went back, because I use the f-5c to grind, and I want to get the su-27sm and I need the lions to get it.
I keep rantinga bout the f-5c having negative battle presence the moment it sees fighters of it’s same BR.
Now suppose you have said KD on F-5C, cool. I’ve been using F-5C for way longer and counted around 200 times that I’ve been teamkilled while I dogfought people. Just because one does good in certain aircraft doesn’t mean the plane is good. Just because someone does bad in an aircraft doesn’t mean it’s a bad aircraft. I do terribly on spitfires but they are certainly far superior to the n1k2s where I reached up to 4kd against planes that will 100 percent outturn them the moment you exceed 450 ias.
keep ranting king
I rant about f-5c being at a BR where everyone else is supersonic at all altitudes and has four 18+g missiles and also happen to either outrate or out one circle the f-5c forever as a matter.
It’s like playing a zero that can’t outdogfight everything by turning flat rates all the time.
It may not fit meta, but I am sure that it isn’t that bad as you claimed.
F-5C might fit better in 11.0 if it gets an unhistorical AIM-9J kit along with their unhistorical AN/ALE-40 countermeasure pod (which they already got).
USAF stoled countermeasure pod from ROCAF, so why not about missiles to be better plane?
All of these can be 11.0 and be side-grade of F-5E.
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F-5C already struggles at 10.3, no please.
All of these can be 11.0 and be side-grade of F-5E.
All of these have nearly half more the thrust weight ratio of the f-5c.
Yep, especially with how much they are overperforming currently.
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I partially agree with you that F-5 isn’t a meta plane
(current meta is mindless missile spamming, as you know. From T-2/Harrier till J-7D and F8U/F-8E.)
But no offence, and just checking.
Do you also struggle to fight against Harrier GR.3 and believe that they are better dogfighters than F-5, like that Pangolin guy did…?
You are not that bad. right…?
Sorry, I think I should’ve clarified straightforwardly.
Every F-5 variant which don’t have an all-aspect IR missile
(F-5A-USAF/F-5C-USAF/F-5A-Thai/F-5E-Swiss/NF-5-Dutch) should be 11.0BR with AIM-9J/P.
this thing in particular outperforms like all of the 10.7s-11.0s in game. But for some reason it shares BR with these f-5s and it goes in a frequency of seven j7ds to every single f-5 (of any variant)
This is the real problem, not the f-5s.
No one tells J-7D isn’t a problem.
Of course they are.
It also needs to move up.
I partially agree with you that F-5 isn’t a meta plane
(current meta is mindless missile spamming, as you know. From T-2/Harrier till J-7D and F8U/F-8E.)
and yet these planes outdogfight the f-5c under any scenario (t-2 doesn’t but can run away and scissor it) so even when these planes have ran out of missiles they still can fight f-5s gun only.
But no offence, and just checking.
Do you also struggle to fight against Harrier GR.3 and believe that they are better dogfighters than F-5, like that Pangolin guy did…?
You are not that bad. right…?
No offence, are you still bringing back attackers onto fighter related topics? You keep doing this again and again. Am I even talking about any ATTACKER to be exact?
Every F-5 variant which don’t have an all-aspect IR missile
(F-5A-USAF/F-5C-USAF/F-5A-Thai/F-5E-Swiss/NF-5-Dutch) should be 11.0BR with AIM-9J/P.
F-5C has the worst performance of them all. Beign 11.0 while you suggest the others to be 11.0 when many of them are already 11.0 with aim9j is just ughhhh
F-5C should be 10.3, period. We already had enough br decompression at that gap.
They still have engines that dont really produce heat, meaning they defeat all missiles with stupid ease and their FM is significantly overperforming because the devs for some reason are using soviet secondary sources instead of american primary sources to model the FM.
Quite frankly. F-5s are under BRed, sure, maybe compression is preventing them from moving up currently, but 95% of aircraft at and below them (and probably a few above them) dont have an easy time fighting an F-5. Just because the J-7D can fight a F-5C, doesnt mean that everyone else can as well.
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Then most other 10.7s would need to move down to 10.3 as well. Including most of the all-aspect slingers. and then most 9.7s and 9.3s would have to move down as well.
Also it was 10.3 before the decompression. So you would be undoing all decomopression.
Quite frankly. The F-5C should never have dropped down to 10.7 to begin with
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Sorry, there was another F-5 defender ‘trully’ believed that Harrier outperforms and beats F-5 in a dogfight. :|
Glad that you aren’t that type of guy.
He genuinely believed F-5 could beat nothing outside of A-7 Corsair II and Buccaneer S.2B, and being outturned by every-goddamn-thing.
Including attacker jets. :|
They still have engines that dont really produce heat, meaning they defeat all missiles with stupid ease
Wrong, they already can be locked from 4km away with an r60.
and their FM is significantly overperforming because the devs for some reason are using soviet secondary sources instead of american primary sources to model the FM.
If their FM’s are overperforming what are mig21 mf’s outrating them and running away from them even with f-5s on 15 mins of fuel and mig21s on 20 mins of fuel?
Quite frankly. F-5s are under BRed, sure,
The F-5C is overBRd. The F-5E (USA/GER) are probably a little high in BR.
maybe compression is preventing them from moving up currently,
Cheerful reminder that the f-5e used to see mig29s and f-16s all day at 11.0, alongside the f-4s and mig23 ml.
but 95% of aircraft at and below them (and probably a few above them) dont have an easy time fighting an F-5. Just because the J-7D can fight a F-5C, doesnt mean that everyone else can as well.
Literally everyone else can outdogfight the f-5c: the mig21 spam which outrate it nowadays even if both have been nerfed, the su25 has much more engine power, the j35s spank it under any circumstance, the viggens, the j7e, literally everything else that is not an attacker can deal with them and if the phantom E player is smarter than the f5c/e (us/ger) and goes clean wing it can even outdogfight the f-5s in a 1v1 near the end of the matches. Every single fighter above 10.7 will definitely give the f-5c a good run in a dogfight.