That may be my issue. I tend to play WT later in the evenings.
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Small samples don’t guarantee that they can in general.
I gunned down a few MiG-29 and F-16A while I flew Tonka,
But, it doesn’t mean that [MiG-29 and F-16A are bad jets, and if you lose while flying Tonka, it is a skill issue]. -
If the enemy is bad enough, you can kill it.
As someone else explained before.
Because I have better stats than yours on Harriers? :P
(Disclaimer: Mine is a small sample, so I may need to play more to compare directly)
To me, it seems that you just don’t want to admit that you blundered about the flight characteristics of F-5, and want to boil it down to an argument between skill issues.
Non-Americans don’t guarantee that their skill are better.
I saw many MiG-21Bison, which bombed the base with their ZB-500
And you could see Non-American F-5, which plays badly bc there are some variants which can also be accessed via event or payment. (F-5A/G, F-5E ECU or NF-5A can be examples)
Well obviously it wasn’t just the F-5s being bad as it happened with non American F-5s aswell.
So because I can kill an F-5 that means I got its flight physics wrong? Sureeeee
I should’ve added ‘your claim for’ part to get rid of your quote mining.
Look up.
Hope they dont get nerfed and move up to 11.0 again, decompression is key.
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you mean you want f-5c to go 11.0 again? it’s not even relevant at 10.3.
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Alright so now we know that you just want it at a BR that it’s blatantly OP 😂
The F5C at 10.7 is still one of the strongest planes for it’s BR, you also conviently ignored the massively important part about decompression.
Too many planes now have been arbitrarily moved down, likes of the F16 sitting at 12.3 for example. We need more decompression of air trees in general.
Like the J35XS should not sit where it does, also in reference to the last F5 post you necrod , the J35 actually did end up a higher BR than it should of, hence why it could see F14s when it had no RWR.
Gaijin tells us they balance off of the earrings/scores of vehicles. The J35XS had artificially inflated scores due to people for months exploiting the rocket damage on bases.
Hence why now it sits at a lower BR when it cannot use said exploit people cannot play it properly.
I digress you’re purposefully going around making ridiculous claims to provoke some kind of engagement or arguments. Over nothing.
F5C is an exceptional plane in game end of.
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Alright so now we know that you just want it at a BR that it’s blatantly OP 😂
Once again, a paper mache plane that has 9.0 tier armament and 9.7 flight performance sitting at 10.7 is “blatantly OP”
The F5C at 10.7 is still one of the strongest planes for it’s BR, you also conviently ignored the massively important part about decompression.
No, it’s not strong. It’s the enemies brains being weak. I’ve had phantoms literally dump all the speed to turn fight me.
Like the J35XS should not sit where it does, also in reference to the last F5 post you necrod , the J35 actually did end up a higher BR than it should of, hence why it could see F14s when it had no RWR.
There’s at least two j35xs for every f-5 type of any variant found in the lobby. Back before the nerf it was a very oppressive plane, but you still could catch it off guard with a radar missile. It would still keep flying but would die in a minute or two.
I digress you’re purposefully going around making ridiculous claims to provoke some kind of engagement or arguments. Over nothing.
No, I’m simply good enough to point a plane’s caveats out and address what situations is the plane i talk about finding to make it appear good. Back then when the f-5c never saw MiG23s nor mig21bis it was completely cracked, the only thing faster than it was the mig21smt, aim9e’s would ignore flares way too often and m39s had two kilometers of range with a constant muzzle velocity making the plane have a 1.5km radius of all aspects unapproachability. And back then the damage model was so bullshit I would usually bring the big belly bomb, shoot it mid air near enemies (the bullets spawn from the aircraft’s center of mass, not a bug) to troll bomb people mid air and still go out and kill four more people with a yellow fuselage. Now if you lose a wingtip you die, if you lose your tiny rudder, you die. If you lose a flap, you die. If you lose half elevator, you die. You turn into a fookin beyblade the moment you get one of your sides different from the other.
F5C is an exceptional plane in game end of.
You overrate it really badly. I have NEVER had an issue against f-5c and the times i got damaged by one i could literally fly well enough. I literally give it the same treatment I give to zeroes, why is it that hard bro? don’t turn, keep your speed, attack them when they’re turn fighting.
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I mean, you can obviously win a one circle and by large margins, so its a matter of trying to get those fights.
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Paper mache? In what context ,? Its damage model is still massively over performing, it’s engines massively under tempratured.
And the statement of 9.7 flight performance is just blatantly wrong.
F5C is one of the best energy fighters in the game excluding the gen 4s and 4.5s.
It also has extemely good flight characteristics providing you don’t drop it bellow about 700 kmph, which is a speed you really don’t want to go below in any jet.
Okay? That doesn’t change it’s AoA, sustained turn rate, energy retention as well as acceleration past 760kmph, cold engines, as well as over 500 rounds on good cannons.
Because if you read what I said the J35XS wasn’t being used for A2A by the majority, it was being used to strike bases with rockets as rockets where massively over performing on base damage.
You say catch it off guard as if it has any idea they’re being launched bar from head on.
It has No RWR mate.
It shouldn’t of been anywhere near the lobbies of F14s it did see 😂.
It dogs mig21 bis and mig23 only has the R24R advantage and speed.
Arguably mig23ML and MLD should get their correct radar functions and sit at 12.0 with the other jets that are comparable.
Again we’re extemely similarly matched stat wise,
you’re not that guy so sit down.
In the past 4 years ive never seen an aim9E do what you’re talking about bar when you stuff it up the tailpipe at 0.5km and they dont cut the reheat.
As well as that the guns now still have fantastic characteristics mate, the GHS23 has substantially worse velocity and ammo count. As well as being mounted on the belly makes it a harder to use and overall worse cannon.
I overrate it how? Its one of my most used planes and i got it the day before it went up to 11.0.
You dont have issues with it cause a multitude of muppets use it, same argument to say why it perfroms well is also a reason it performs badly.
It was massively popular for so many years.
You say that as if every plane dusts it, only the mig21 and mig23 will absolutely out pace it. Providing you use the F5 correctly you’ll also be able tk force them to move and bleed speed.
So yeah.
We’re obviously not going to agree, and i cannot be bothered writing huge stories just to sate your insatiable lust to argue about the F5C, you think it should be 10.3 which is just ludicrous.
Also the remark about the speed bleed on the F5C being worse than the J35 is just categorically wrong.
It loses a lot of speed under 680kmph, if you keep kt above that , especially up at closer to 1000 most planes wont be able to sustain any fights with you.
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Dude, if you lose any dogfight in a F-5 with their hilariously overperforming flight model you’re doing it wrong.
Actually the opposite, i win dogfights against f-5 players, and very often they’re noobies but i’ve found your average god of war with 5kd plus in it and won.
It’s by far the easiest aircraft to dogfight in. You two-circle everything, and win. Just hold down max elevator. Everyone else with actual flight models has to outplay you royally to win.
It indeed is if we don’t take in consideration the j7e and the mig23s, but did all of you ignore when i said it’s so stupidly slow it doesn’t have the chance to dogfight and when it does it has to constantly disengage to cope with incoming enemies?
I’m on 2.9 kill death ratio with the f-5c and that’s already counting the over 200 times i’ve been teamkilled during the a10a spam. But the fact it’s also easy to dogfight with doesn’t mean it’s a completely undefeatable plane. I’ve been literally listing countertactics from each type of plane that can face it without being a helpless sitting duck. But you keep pointing at my “lack of skill” and how i’m “doing it wrong”
Paper mache? In what context ,? Its damage model is still massively over performing, it’s engines massively under tempratured.
How is “massively overperforming damage model” to get absolutely pulverized by a single 23mm GSH23L shell or lose total control and turning into a waddling or spinning airbrake if you get torn a single control surface? The rest of aircraft can literally fly without both wings and land perfectly. I’ve managed to land f-4 phantoms with half a wing and no vertical stabilizer, i’ve managed to land crusaders with both wings blown up by proxy fuse missiles, and every time since the f-5c got moved to 11.0 I have been NUKING them even with the m39s which whenever I got damaged by them even on a mig21 i would still arrive to repair on the main airfield.
And the statement of 9.7 flight performance is just blatantly wrong.
How is it wrong? it literally flies like a 9.7. It literally has worse climb rate than many 9.7s, it accelerates worse than many 9.7s, it just turns. Are we deadass? Are we literally in the mentality of “zero OP pls move up”? its a rhetoric question, of course we are.
It also has extemely good flight characteristics providing you don’t drop it below about 700 kmph, which is a speed you really don’t want to go below in any jet.
Wrong. You can get to 700IAS in pretty much everything else but f-5c (and e to an extent) because the f-5c has no extending privileges for how little engine power it has. Besides the fact that 700IAS is the speed at which almost every jet in this game insta- rates the best. F-16A, Su-27, F-8U, F-4E, F-18C, F-5C, etc.
Okay? That doesn’t change it’s AoA, sustained turn rate, energy retention as well as acceleration past 760kmph, cold engines, as well as over 500 rounds on good cannons.
aoa sustained turn rate? What??? sorry but i think you have no idea what you’re talking about. The F-5C can’t have AOA and sustained turn rate at the same time because it neither has the engine power nor the leading edge extensions of f16, j17f, f-5e, f18 and su27s that delay stall on the upper camber while pulling up hard. The guns aren’t good either, once again, they’re the weakest 20mm jet guns in game.
Because if you read what I said the J35XS wasn’t being used for A2A by the majority, it was being used to strike bases with rockets as rockets where massively over performing on base damage.
and? i can use the same argument with the f-5 with it’s inverse results: that it’s actually a shit plane for air RB meta but people kept turning in front of it’s guns.
You say catch it off guard as if it has any idea they’re being launched bar from head on.
It has No RWR mate.
It shouldn’t of been anywhere near the lobbies of F14s it did see 😂
So? the F-5C also saw f-14s, and the f-5e saw r27er’s for a whole year. And it’s the plane that taught me to notch when i had no CM’s.
It dogs mig21 bis and mig23 only has the R24R advantage and speed.
No it doesn’t, l2p.
Arguably mig23ML and MLD should get their correct radar functions and sit at 12.0 with the other jets that are comparable.
MTI radar mode on the mig23ml is the best in game (edited specifying not mig23 radar but MTI mode on mig23 radar), people keep saying “oh just notch and chaff”, first of all: it filters chaff, secondly, it’s not a doppler radar. The only way to defeat it is by going COLD or dump all your chaff to spoof it while it’s on average SRC mode where the r24r and the radar is still far better at not getting distracted by chaff because of innertial guidance and track memory.
Again we’re extemely similarly matched stat wise,
you’re not that guy so sit down.
How is 200 matches with 200 kills 1.6kd and 1kb comparable to almost 800 matches, 1200 kills and 2.9kd? Thine argument makes no sense. When I played the p51c-10 i got a six kill game on the first time and then I got down to 2.5kd after seven matches more. It’s natural and happens to everyone. And this is considering you probably use it in ground RB where it’s STUPIDLY EASY to kill other players that are tunnel visioned on their guidance TV’s or lining for bombing.
You dont have issues with it cause a multitude of muppets use it, same argument to say why it perfroms well is also a reason it performs badly.
It was massively popular for so many years.
Don’t you realize that the reason most players are muppets is also the very argument for “the f-5 is not good, people facing it is just bad”? think again if you’re able to, pigeons are smart, do not dishonor them. THINK: slow plane, two 10g missiles, inconsistent guns and subpar engine thrust versus planes that can go mach 1.2 on the deck, have four or more 18g+ missiles and similar or superior flight models that can reach MACH 1 while climbing with a 40 degree angle of incidence from takeoff and can catch up to ANYTHING, out dogfight ANYTHING and NUKE ANYTHING with a single click of their gun and no, i don’t have problems against f-5c “because most players are muppets”, i don’t have problems against it because anything that is not rate fighting, every other plane i play on it’s range has objectively better missiles, better thrust, better high speed control, better speed, better survivality and better gun.
You say that as if every plane dusts it, only the mig21 and mig23 will absolutely out pace it. Providing you use the F5 correctly you’ll also be able tk force them to move and bleed speed.
My blud, even the su7 outpaces the f-5, what you on about 😭 The mirages, the phantoms, the crusaders, the su22s, the tornados, the f-104s, the drakens, the viggens, the varks, the t2, the f1, the a5c, the q5a, the j8f and the crusaders (past 3km of altitude) SMOKE the f-5c AND THE E in speed and acceleration past 700ias extension.
We’re obviously not going to agree, and i cannot be bothered writing huge stories just to sate your insatiable lust to argue about the F5C, you think it should be 10.3 which is just ludicrous.
Even at 10.3 it’s outclassed. The fact you’re literally limiting the f-5c 's “OPness” to “it turns and has 500 rounds of 20mm” is telling that you have the dialectic skills of a brainlet.
Also the remark about the speed bleed on the F5C being worse than the J35 is just categorically wrong.
It loses a lot of speed under 680kmph, if you keep kt above that , especially up at closer to 1000 most planes wont be able to sustain any fights with you.
My remarks were made before knowing that the drakens were actually nerfed, and lost their double delta characteristics, now behaving like plain delta wings. I haven’t lost a single dogfight against a draken ever since i knew about it. When it had it’s double delta flight model it could outcompete the j7e.
Inconsequential, I’ve also landed an F5 missing an engine, tail control and half a wing.
It’s damage model has been proven time and time again to be over preforming one google search would show you that mate.
Like i said you’re making arguments with no basis other than self experience.
Aka ancedotal evidence.
Im not even gonna continue this like I’ve said.
Alright, firstly; you’re literally months late.
Now. J-7E is the exclusive F-5 bully in the entire game, everything else has to actually royally outplay an F-5 to win. MiG-23 flight model is a joke and shouldn’t be considered a dogfighter at all anymore.
And yes, outplaying an F-5 includes tactics such as disengaging with superior top speed or attacking while they are distracted. It takes such little effort to win in the F-5 against the overwhelming majority of aircraft it faces, especially considering your top speed on the deck is still very good and you can easily catch all but the outright fastest planes in the matchmaker bracket. Even if somebody bounces you from high while at speed, you can ignore their missiles (magic cold fusion engines+flares+multipath) and reverse their gun run and then still have the energy to keep up with them long enough to spray and damage them. It’s brainless. Complaining that the plane is bad when it still easily maintains 3KD while being teamkilled hundreds of times is a total joke.
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Also if you fly to about 4500 meters, fly over the right hand bases, and then drop down on the 2nd line guys that are behind the base rushers, you avoid the fastest enemies while also taking out some of the better turn / rate fighters ln the enemy team.
I’ve blocked that boeing lad he just kept going around making out as if the F5C sucks at its BR when it still is one of the best for its BR.
Crusaders dont out pace it.
They cap out at a slightly lower top speed.
Aim-9Es are not found below 9.3, and they are only on a plane with worse flight performance.
It has 10.7 or even 11.0 level flight performance.
False.
Missiles are best used to get your opponent to bleed speed to grab them. Its what i used them for on the F-5A(G)-40
I have a pretty okay KD last i checked. Just gotta keep speed around 800kph or higher and dont do full turns otherwise you’ll bleed to much. Stay fast and nuke your opponents with those amazing nose mounted guns with lazer velocity lol.
Hes not worth arguing with man, hes been on every F5 post making it out as if it sucks when it’s one of his best performing planes , he talks about other planes cannons and missiles yet performs worse in said planes.
As well as this im not sure if its on this thread or the one about it being 11.0 from months ago , stating it’s affectively a 10.3 plane 😂 someone wants their club back.
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F5C acceleration at post 750kmph is pretty good.
You can full turn providing you manage the energy well
Keep it above 700kmph IAS and you’ll be relatively untouchable most the time.
Christ if you sit at mach 0.90-95 you can pull J7D, J7E, mig21s, and even mig23s into an energy trap.
F5C has two flaws, its top end speed and access to only aim9E.
As you say use the 9Es to force the enemy to maneuver and lose speed.