F5C acceleration at post 750kmph is pretty good.
You can full turn providing you manage the energy well
Keep it above 700kmph IAS and you’ll be relatively untouchable most the time.
Christ if you sit at mach 0.90-95 you can pull J7D, J7E, mig21s, and even mig23s into an energy trap.
F5C has two flaws, its top end speed and access to only aim9E.
As you say use the 9Es to force the enemy to maneuver and lose speed.
People get into the F-5 cause they hear its a gun fighter monster and play it like they’re in a zero then cry when they are slow and can’t turn. Takes a little bit but if people learned to play their vehicles they would have a better time.
I mean, I’m by no means a pro player.
However, i got the F5C the day before its BR was put to 11.0, and found it substantially easier to use at those brs compared to it being 10.7 now.
The issue people have as you say is just expect it to retain all energy, pulling max elevation and rolling etc.
It’s still a fantastic platform in game, even so to say I’ve beaten mig29s in a 1v1 duel with it.
Ancedotal but it really is a great all round platform.
Caveat, im not a bad player either just above average
Such a dumb lie that people keep parroting.
Not really, ive had some silly moments where i tanked a Matra 530D head on and took no damage and other times ive lost all control surfaces but ate 6 missiles and only died once i hit the ground. Its got some Su-25 damage model silliness at times, to say it doesn’t is a blatant lie
I’ve had silly moments in pretty much every plane, except for F-104, a single sneeze just deletes that thing.
I’ve never witnessed the Aaledged super survivability of the F-5 playing with or against it.
See i dont play the F-5 religiously but i do play around that BR and ive both had it happen and seen it happen. Tbf before i had the Su-25 i agreed it was overperforming and after playing it im split because i have had some serious BS attacks do nothing and then other times i lose the tail and instantly flatspin. I don’t think the F-5 is as bad of an offender of the BS damage model but i would be dumb to say it doesn’t have it given it happens more often with my F-5 more than ive had it happen with ither aircaft.
One of my most used planes.
Its very irregular to die the way that Boeing is making out, the plane isn’t paper mache, the likes of the Javelin are, it takes a single 50 cal and turns into a slab and loses around 40 percent of it’s flight performance if i remember rightly
This is objectively a lie, you can’t land an f-5c without tail control, unless it’s the wire only and you can control it through roll and flaps. Losing the vertical stabilizer or the rudder only would make you waddle until you stall out.
It’s damage model has been proven time and time again to be over preforming one google search would show you that mate.
Honestly, i keep nuking them in one shot with anything, especially with gsh23l.
Like i said you’re making arguments with no basis other than self experience.
Aka ancedotal evidence.
IDK what “annecdotal evidence” lies on the fact that most planes have their best instantaneous turn rate in the 700-800IAS window? What “annecdotal evidence” lies on having two 10g missiles with an awful boresight against planes armed to the teeth that really only lose to it in a prolonged flat two circle?
However… You’re just parroting things that stopped being relevant four years ago, you just keep saying “it’s blatantly OP” and saying objective FUD about it like saying that only the mig21 and the mig23 outpace the f-5c when in reality anything with an afterburner leaves it behind and below from 9.7 to 11.7.
Im not even gonna continue this like I’ve said.
Thank you for leaving, i was afraid you’d keep posting more wrong things about the f-5, like
which shows you’re purposefully ignoring fundamental parts of my texts in order to fit your narrative.
Now. J-7E is the exclusive F-5 bully in the entire game, everything else has to actually royally outplay an F-5 to win. MiG-23 flight model is a joke and shouldn’t be considered a dogfighter at all anymore.
Royally outplay? Like, abusing what the f-5c lacks? Like, mig21 vs f-5: going vertical? f-4 vs f-5: falling leaf?. su-25: diagonal ascending rolling scissors? etc? this is like saying “the yak3 is OP and you have to royally outplay it’s player” when a corsair can outroll it at high speed, a 109 can spiral climb it, a spitfire can outdive it and out turn it below 500IAS, a ta152h can outrate it, an n1k2j can rudder flick on the vertical until it starts to turn tight, etc. The F-5C is a one trick pony and it is rate fighting, just don’t rate figh tit.
It takes such little effort to win in the F-5 against the overwhelming majority of aircraft it faces, especially considering your top speed on the deck is still very good and you can easily catch all but the outright fastest planes in the matchmaker bracket
Uhhh… brain blockout? Wince when mach 1.01 is a good top speed on the deck versus most “Fighter” things that go mach 1.1 on the deck and still can keep it while on a 20 degree climb where you instantly drop to 900kmh??? can we stop posting fake things about planes please?
Complaining that the plane is bad when it still easily maintains 3KD while being teamkilled hundreds of times is a total joke.
Looks like gamers are unable to address other people’s skills. If I cry about the sea fury but show 4kd then the sea fury is good, if I have 4kd on the CL13B and I say that longwing sabres are a chore to play against supersonics because of the stiffness you say “the cl13b is OP against supersonics”, if I do good on the J5N1 and get 3.5kd and say the plane is shit and needs more WEP time you say “no the j5n1 is actually amazing”, if I have 3.6kd on the Alpha Jet but still say BK27 is bad and needs a buff cause i keep getting 4 kill assists (and showing evidence) you will say “i’m wrong and alpha jet is OP”. You’re always constantly parroting the same stuff like an echo chamber of people patting each other’s backs in a circle. This community has a total lack of independent judgement and considers a plane “good” if it has good stats just like Gaijin does, without thinking about maybe now people barely play it and those who do are very good.
true, aim9e’s are found at 9.3 and 10.0 omly, and they also happen to be in stale platforms. The F-100D probably makes the best use of them.
It has 10.7 or even 11.0 level flight performance.
So if this is the case then the MiG21 SMT which beats f-5c in every single scenario that is not a rate fight has 12.0 flight performance? Why does this community EXAGGERATE so much over everything?
False.
What do you backup this with?
Missiles are best used to get your opponent to bleed speed to grab them. Its what i used them for on the F-5A(G)-40
(literally everything 10.7 plus)
I have a pretty okay KD last i checked. Just gotta keep speed around 800kph or higher and dont do full turns otherwise you’ll bleed to much. Stay fast and nuke your opponents with those amazing nose mounted guns with lazer velocity lol.
those “amazing nose mounted guns with lazer velocity” net me at least two kill assists that should have been full frags every match and american 20mm’s have been hit the hardest with the drag coefficient, effectively being the only rounds you can outpace 1km away from the launcher if both of you are flying at mach 1.05 plus on the deck. This DOES NOT HAPPEN with GSh23L as it has an initial muzzle velocity of 700m/s and goes down to 600 before despawning at around 5 seconds, where m39 and vulcan’s 20mm exit at 1010 and go 600 just a second after they left the barrel and take 3 seconds to despawn. Their ram-air deceleration is the most aggressive in the entire game.
The Mig-21SMT does not beat the F-5, because it will never be able to kill the f-5 without having a high risk of being killed first. The SMT simply does not have enough acceleration to fight the F-5 with it’s fantastical energy retention.
My own stats probably. I have played multiple F-5 models and I can confidently say that all F-5s currently in game are great planes and several of them are undertiered… Their only weakness is that they are slightly slower than other planes.
Mg151:
Why are you asking for a plane to go down in BR when you are consistently close to getting atleast 2 kills per match.
Edit: Also don’t forget about the F-5s gun placement and ammo count when rating its armament. It has 2 high ammo, hire fire rate, medium damage 20mm cannons that are perfectly placed in the nose.
The Mig-21SMT does not beat the F-5, because it will never be able to kill the f-5 without having a high risk of being killed first. The SMT simply does not have enough acceleration to fight the F-5 with it’s fantastical energy retention.
Objectively a lie, the mig21 SMT has literally thrice the engine thrust of the f-5c in transonic airspeed, and will beat the f5c in every scenario that is not a rate fight, because it has better low speed control, tighter turn radius, more AOA, better rudder, more stability, more engine power and more roll rate.
My own stats probably. I have played multiple F-5 models and I can confidently say that all F-5s currently in game are great planes and several of them are undertiered… Their only weakness is that they are slightly slower than other planes.
Once again, they’re not “slightly slower”, they’re literally between 300 and 500kmh slower in the deck than most stuff. And the only way you can kill faster planes is by having them present themselves reversing their turn into your guns once and again.
Mg151:
Maschingewehr/Maschinkanone are not found in supersonic aircraft.
Why are you asking for a plane to go down in BR when you are consistently close to getting atleast 2 kills per match
“close to getting 2 kills per match” is “Not getting two kills per match” which equals to emptying all your ammo on dumb players and peppering them to no avail, for someone with a gsh23l will overfrag them .
Trust me, you ain’t doing good in the f-5c because it’s a good plane, you do good in the f-5s because you go from flying slow below mach 1 on the mig21 to be unable to fly above mach 1 on the f-5c, thus since everyone is flying mig21s below mach, you catch them up.
First of all, either give it two aim9j’s or four a9e (and f-5e four a9j) and stronger guns or move it to 10.0 without flares. You still can’t even quote anything I say, because most of you are actively ignoring what I say, cause addressing my points would completely destroy your narrative.
nose guns
i did have better results with the gun on the mig21s, in fact most of my kills are done with the guns. I love belly mounted guns since I grew up with the F-4C and the MiG19S. Also belly guns force me to think more about the trajectories and go lead pursuit which grants me a more successful missile launch if it’s due. Also lead pursuits bleed less energy.
Your narrative shows you do not know how air RB matches go, and it just rage bait at this point. No person with actual experience will say the F-5s are bad because it’s blatantly obvious they are not.
my narrative shows well enough how air RB matches go and how good or bad f-5c and competitors are.
Simple as. I keep finding mach 1.3 planes in gun range of me with f-5, I almost never get killed by f-5s in general, even on su25, and find myself outdogfighting them by using the slightest thing i have and they don’t.
Summed up: f-5s still thrive against planes with four times their engine power and 500kmh faster than them for the same reason zeroes still thrive at 6.0 against corsairs and 109s.
The fact my stats and my “annecdotal experience” can be demonstrated over and over but you gaslight me into otherwise tells what kind of (insert diffamation) you are.
Get out of my sight.
Skill issue. You’re whining because it’s the only plane you can handle, and you only got good at it because it was OP. Get a life.
Imagine crying over a premium plane that came out in 2021, lmao.
Everyone moaning about the F-5C nerf? That’s just people being salty because it’s the only plane they’re good with.
What a genius.
Claiming engine thrust difference as a disadvantage but ignoring the weight difference…
:/
In the same hyperbole theory, Tornado F.3 could be the worst 12.0BR jet because it can’t dogfight and can’t bomb something.
(By ignoring 4th gen radar and SuperTEMP like just how you ignored weight difference.)
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Claiming engine thrust difference as a disadvantage but ignoring the weight difference…
weight does not care about aerodynamics. The 747 is one of the heaviest aircraft in the world, and yet it’s the only airliner with subsonic flight characteristics that can sustain mach 1.01 flight without an issue, while the 757 has a MTOW TWR of 0.4 (higher than the 747’s 0.2) and yet it can’t exceed 950kmh.
In the same hyperbole theory, Tornado F.3 could be the worst 12.0BR jet because it can’t dogfight and can’t bomb something.
(By ignoring 4th gen radar and SuperTEMP like just how you ignored weight difference.)
And it indeed is, but people will agree without issue because the plane in question is not American. I don’t ignore the supertemps and the 4th gen radar, if the plane has no capacity to set itself offensively i don’t give a damn. If the f-5c is goated at dogfighting I don’t give a damn if everyone can run away from it. It’s good the moment the furball sets in, but that’s besides the point, both teams have to survive and spend their missiles which is not what usually happens on jet RB past rank 6, thus rendering the f-5c irrelevant most of the times.
