There isnt at the moment because the F5 is blatantly OP, nobody has an alternative other than the few russian radar missiles that appear.
only through horrendous modelling of the Shar in the most unfavourable way in the game.
Horrendous modelling is also why the F5 is so blatantly overpowered, its too cold, has too little drag and pulls far harder than it really could
It is maybe because Gaijin is a Russian Company which biases russian vehicles.
So they are buffing their ‘MiG-28’ while mistreating our Harriers.
They just can’t admit that they lost the ‘Great Game’ twice.
Historically, and in VTOL departments.(Yak-38/141)
:/
It positively does show if a plane is good or not.
Look at the gripen for example, when it was OP when it was added, almost everyone had a mega good KD with it. While having bad KDs in comparable planes.
Same as the F8U2 when it sat at 10.0 and everything else moved up, folks abused it and their KDs were better in the F8U2 than most other planes.
F5C is the same, most folks tend to do or did well with it and their KD reflect that… while being worse in other planes.
You state the plane is bad, yet all evidence is to the contrary.
You state it’s cannons are bad and they’re some of the best in the bracket.
Tell.me what mod sent you to a completely irrelevant thread on the F5C being 11.0?
my question is why everyone hates F5C when J35XS is at its old br and being twice as oppresive as the F5C ever was ingame like bare minimum you could beat the F5 in a F100 and defeat its AIM-9E by turning you cannot beat a J35XS in a dogfight or in missile combat since it has AIM-9Js and some the most oppresive FM at its rank
Maybe the majority of us also hate J35XS or J-7D too.
Not only F-5C.
It is just that the necroposting guy’s fault who whines about F-5C/E for months with necropostings.
Also, J35XS maintain superiority don’t give indulgence to F-5C. :(
F5C is fine where it is now honestly its just playing the BR range with the teams as the are makes wanna quit
tho i dont really get the hate for the J7D its a little strong but its still a mig 21 you can energy trap it same as the MF its harder to energy the BIS but you can
I agree with this part, but if we think about those loud complaints about the shitty AIM-9E.
I prefer sending every F-5A/C equivalent to 11.0 with new AIM-9J/P. ROCAF F-5A already has it.
I know it is unhistorical for F-5A/C in the USAF, but as long as Gaijin has already broken the rules with AN/ALE-40 CM pod and AIM-9E on it. So, it won’t be a big problem.
Maybe fixing some overperforming things in FM or heat-sig will be juicier than BR adjustment, though.
Good to hear, I am well aware that J-7D is one of the hot potatoes and a problematic plane in WT nowadays, but well… if I stay in the forum, I can see many F-5C mains just blame J-7D for making theirs stronger, and vice versa.
I hope both J-7D and F-5C(with new AIM-9J) shake their hand and go up to 11.0BR
But well, I think it can’t happen in the current compression meta, which 21Bis is on 11.0BR and faces F-4S in 12.0.
Also, I really hope that mods close this damn topic down because
There isnt at the moment because the F5 is blatantly OP, nobody has an alternative other than the few russian radar missiles that appear.
The F-5 is not blatantly op, the sea harrier is bad. Play other planes and learn how to deal with the f-5. I still want to understand what kind of mind thinks that something that is literally 300kmh slower at sea level than any other fighter jet of other nations, with two of the worst missiles in the whole BR bracket, two plinkers known for having the worst of realshatter and has one of the most terrible flight models of any fighter jet because it’s restricted to rat raids and horizontal rate fights at mach 0.86 below 1km of altitude, is “blatantly OP” when it’s literally an analogue to the Zero at 5.0-6.0.
Horrendous modelling is also why the F5 is so blatantly overpowered, its too cold, has too little drag and pulls far harder than it really could
Again, the f-5c is not blatantly overpowered. Does it overperform? Yes, does it have cold engines? no, they’re rather hot. 750 degrees is NOT cold, what they do have is a very small heat signature, but that literally makes sense for how small these engines are. If the f-5s had their accurate flight models they would be 9.0 and 9.7 respectively (with f-5c having no flares).
No.
A fixed F-5C would be 9.3/9.7, just like every other supersonic aircraft. The F-5E would be 10.0/10.3 or higher depending on the model. The Thai ones wouldn’t even change their BRs if they got a fixed FM.
It positively does show if a plane is good or not
It definitely does not. Ilcr0ssil has 15 kill death ratio on the sea fury with over a thousand battles without killing bots, does it make sea fury good? No, it’s literally a 4.3 flight model at 5.7. Defyn has 10 kill death ratio on the ta152 C-3 and it’s the worst rank 5 fighter in the entire game, as it is slow, doesn’t climb, doesn’t turn, has terrible maneuverability at any speeds and locks up irrecoverably past 600IAS. Does it make it a good plane? No. The average P51H player does 0.5kd to 1.3kd, does it make it a bad plane? no.
Same as the F8U2 when it sat at 10.0 and everything else moved up, folks abused it and their KDs were better in the F8U2 than most other planes.
The F-8U wasn’t only kept at 10.0, it got it’s wings buffed. And it is indeed a superior plane compared to f-5c. More guns, better damage, higher thrust, higher energy retention and aim9d’s which are amazing, however it’s aiming is weird. And it is also efficient at dealing with mig21s in a ratefight and one circle the rest of stuff.
You state the plane is bad, yet all evidence is to the contrary.
My evidence is that even the su25 can outdogfight it on clean wings, and never gotten killed by an f-5 while keeping my speed except for the NF-5A when i tried to dogfight against it in an ascending spiral hoping that it’s higher thrust might place it above me and found out it is actually also better at one circling.
You state it’s cannons are bad and they’re some of the best in the bracket.
So how are these cannons, which spread like crazy, go from 1010 meters per sec to 600 in just a second and half, despawn past 1km when shooting below 500kmh and need double the trigger time to kill something that gsh23l takes in one click despite having twice the fire rate?
Tell.me what mod sent you to a completely irrelevant thread on the F5C being 11.0?
I think it’s not permitted to do this, but just take a look how there are no new topics about f-5c and those existing besides this one are closed.
j35s were hypernerfed short ago, but yes they used to be faster than f104s and outrate f-16c’s while one circling j7e’s while also tanking two sparrows and not dying. Now they die if you scratch their paint, and have terridogshit flight performance. F-5’s damage models got nuked now, you lose any of your control surfaces and you will turn into an airbrake or a beyblade. But it keeps it’s busted turn rate and zero compression (f-5c), f-5e compresses.
There were three F-5 topics which were necroposted when last time you talked about F-5
AND YOU CHOSE TO NECROPOST THE MOST OUTDATED ONE THIS TIME.
Because F-5C isn’t goddamn 11.0BR anymore.
You had a better F-5C topic than this.
But you chose this one, the worst one.
CHECK THE DAMN TITLE OF THIS TOPIC FIRST.
If you agree, we can move elsewhere which covers a larger area radius, and close this damn outdated topic down.
You are the one who throws multiple whine posts in the forum(in both necroposting and new topics), and according to the new link that the moderator provided, it was just 10 days ago, created by yourself, and contains the same damn topic.
the topic i made has been inactive for a month, and this topic has been active by others than me every day.
Also this is not the worst topic, because the f-5c at 10.7 today is meeting the same things it met when it got moved to 11.0 because of BR decompression moving things that used to face f-16s and mig29’s down from 12.0 to 11.3. It still sees mig23s, kfirs, IRCCM platforms and mig21 bis it never met when it was 10.3 but saw daily when it was 11.0.
Once again, I just can’t find any intelligence in considering the F-5C OP when it has the worst performance of any jet fighter in the 9.7-11.7 bracket, one of the most ridiculously bad damage models in the entire game that goes as far as literally making you unflyable the moment you lose either of the moving surfaces (yes, it’s been nerfed 3 years ago, wake up) and has the worst armament of the entire BR: TWO 10G MISSILES vs 18g plus and IRCCM, and TWO 20MM GUNS that objectively deal far less damage than six 50 cal. You’re just expecting attackers to not be defenceless heaps of dung against anything fight focused, except that most attackers do can and vastly outdogfight the f-5c in an air rb scenario, just not the harrier… and ironically happen to be better armed than the f5c. And in this case, the harrier is. And why is this? because the f-5c is not good. Period.
List of attackers that outperform the f-5c:
China: a-5c, q5A (engine power, retention, speed, armament (a5))
Germany: Su22 (engine power, retention, speed, armament)
Great Britain: F-111 (engine power, retention, speed, 1v1, armament)
France: Milan (?) (speed)
Israel: Ayit (1v1, armament)
Italy: AMX, Su22 (1v1, armament//engine power, retention, speed, armament)
Japan: N/A
Sweden: AJ37C (engine power, speed, 1v1)
USA: F111
USSR: MiG27 (engine power, retention, speed, armament, 1v1) Su-17M2, Su22 (engine power, retention, speed, armament) Su-25 (engine power, retention, armament, 1v1)
“Cause it doesn’t have RWR”
Genuinely man it’s one of those ones, cause the J35XS isn’t as absolutely abused like F5C was not as many folks folks complain.
But definitely find it funny that it gets to sit at 10.3 cause the absolute cabbages that rocket ran bases with it ruined it’s placement.
They got it put too high due to it’s earnings which in turn made it absolutely dog water VS jets slinging SARH missiles and aim54s as standard.
Hence the BR decrease.
Yes but the issue is in a 9.3 you’ve generally no defenses against the PL7s it has.
Couldn’t genuinely agree more it’s becoming pretty stupid.
That link doesn’t bring you to this topic…
That link is about the cannons it’s absolutely irrelevant compared to its BR being 11.0.
This thread itself should be closed
Pretty bold statement.
Which if you watch his video with it he shows how he has that KD overall with it.
The F8U2 even when it’s wings would break was a genuinely busted plane.
It was my first ever supersonic god knows how many years ago, and I never went negative with it.
If you actively worked with decreasing throttle and air breaking to about 900 - 1000kmph yoh could throw it around easily.
It was 10.0 because they changed how the sustain G pulls effects wings and it got a huge buff.
And the F8U2 doesn’t have better energy retention than the F5C , don’t know where you’re pulling that from, 5C generally beats an F8U2 in a dogfight.
Its aiming is weird because how the rudder works, it constantly tilts the plane off angle, causing not only to miss shots, but also to bleed more speed.
“And it is also efficient at dealing with mig21s in a ratefight and one circle the rest of stuff.”
Seeing as it wont let me quote for some reason.
The F5C is substantially more reliable than the 8U2 at dealing with mig21s in overall arb.
As well as this the F8E or F5E beat both the 5C and 8U2
Lol what, the su25 has one tighter turn becuase its slower, thats like saying an A10 will out dogfight it.
GHS23 is universally agreed to be worse the 20mm US cannons due to the sheer lack of velocity and mounting positions.
It hits harded sometimes then other times you can put 60 rounds into a draken and it does nothing.
Why are you going that slow in an F5C bar unless in a 1v1
What you said has absolutely no corroboration to what I asked.
There are still F5C topics.
This one is irrelevant.
@moderators is there another forum post for the F5C as this is irrelavnt
Why do you split so many paragraphs for what can be done in a sequence of periods? And why do you separate them with a whole line? This ain’t reddit.
Genuinely man it’s one of those ones, cause the J35XS isn’t as absolutely abused like F5C was not as many folks folks complain.
Objectively wrong. There’s at least three j35xs for every single f-5 (any variant, any nation) if Sweden is in the match.
They got it put too high due to it’s earnings which in turn made it absolutely dog water VS jets slinging SARH missiles and aim54s as standard.
No, it got put high where it belonged before, when it could fly fine after getting sparrowed or having a mirage spend half of it’s ammo on it (which is ironic that it’s a flying fuel tank with no protective measures that almost never gave a fuel explosion)
Now it flies horribly and can only win a slow mig21.
They got it put too high due to it’s earnings which in turn made it absolutely dog water VS jets slinging SARH missiles and aim54s as standard.
The link there is to show that it’s the mods forcing me to use active threads (and I MEAN ACTIVE) over existing threads or creating new ones. “The F-5C is no longer good” has been inactive since late August, the last time this thread was active was a day before I even wrote again.
Pretty bold statement.
Which if you watch his video with it he shows how he has that KD overall with it.
So you admit that f-5c would get KD by exploiting shit players, right? Defy gets KD’s on the ta152C-3 by going head on and catching slow people off guard, the f-5c literally plays the same: it catches people off guard and (if you have the average response of a normal human being) slaps mig23s or tornadoes head on with an aim9e before they ruin your match running away from everyone.
The F8U2 even when it’s wings would break was a genuinely busted plane.
It was my first ever supersonic god knows how many years ago, and I never went negative with it.
No shid, it has four goated 18g missiles and the same TWR output as the mig21smt. It is the scourge of the MiG19PT.
And the F8U2 doesn’t have better energy retention than the F5C , don’t know where you’re pulling that from, 5C generally beats an F8U2 in a dogfight.
The F8U does have better energy retention than the f-5c, so much so it literally accelerates while turning at 1000 plus ias while controlling wing snap, where the f-5c will instantly lose all of it’s speed and become
an anemic drowning duck.
The F5C is substantially more reliable than the 8U2 at dealing with mig21s in overall arb.
As well as this the F8E or F5E beat both the 5C and 8U2
It does not. The MiG21 can extend away from the f-5c after missing the approach and getting into a two circle. Not from the f8u. I can literally disengage off a ratefight and run away from f-5c’s on the su25 which breaks at 900 ias, why not with a crusader or a mig21?
Lol what, the su25 has one tighter turn becuase its slower, thats like saying an A10 will out dogfight it.
Completely wrong, the su25 does not turn tighter, but it has better thrust weight ratio at speeds below 800 IAS and can stall the f-5c out or more conveniently keep the lag pursuit to end up having the f-5c on top of it stalled out. Vertical fighting su25 wins too.
GHS23 is universally agreed to be worse the 20mm US cannons due to the sheer lack of velocity and mounting positions.
Objectively subject to user opinion, but gsh23l deals much more damage per round and reaches further during supersonic flight. It is in fact the only cannon that hasn’t been affected by realshatter ever. IN fact, during the first realshatter wave, a single shell impact was more than enough to snap an f-4c in half. I occasionally have the average “Hit” moment with gshussy because my client suffers from severe fragging deficiency (as in “hit” is what i get when i make the enemy plane snap in half and falls to the ground in a ball of flames but then a guy scratches it’s paint in the last milisecond and gets the kill instead) but i’ve had mig21 bis games where i’d use the four r13m’s to take down incoming SARH or drop them when facing a j7e and score six gun kills without reloading.
Why are you going that slow in an F5C bar unless in a 1v1
Uh, what? who is saying i’m going slow on f-5c? I’m saying that m39 rounds have terridogshit drag past 500kmh of airspeed. Which is objective and eventually makes m39 not only reach the same muzzle velocity as gsh23l just a second after it left the barrel and is barely 700m away but despawn at around 1km or 1.5km where it has no kinetic power. Still not as bad as Browning Colt mk12 or mk11s which despawn at 800 meters even if they have a more constant muzzle velocity. Besides, ANYTHING owns an f-5c if both fly at 500 IAS.
What you said has absolutely no corroboration to what I asked.
There are still F5C topics.
This one is irrelevant.
This post is relevant in the sense of activity, and after 12.0 decompression, the f-5c is seeing again many of the opponents it saw when it was 11.0.
Take a look.
