No it’s not, the things it already faces in a downtier are a straight clubbing fest as is. The already good AIM-54’s do not need to be at a BR where they can brainlessly stomp planes with garbage RWR, they should require consideration to use as do other ARH missiles. The AIM-54’s also eclipse the other huge reason why it’s 12.7 and that’s the extremely good flight performance. You get up close against it using a mirage f-1, f-4s, mig-23, etc. and you probably can’t do much against it even if its loaded heavy af, let alone has just AIM-9/AIM-7 and a moderate fuel load left. To top it off it has speed performance superior to most of what’s below it in BR. Giving it AIM-9L and other late service upgrades and moving it up alongside giving the F-14B AIM-9M’s is what should be done.
shame they stopped putting warheads on A2A weapons. i think the pheonix couldve fit one for sure
then, splash damage would really be massive
Multipathing still works when against Phenoixes. It’s just more difficult than other radar missiles. This requires more precise control of distance to the ground.
F14A(as well as IRIAF one) may not be so strong like before, but it’s still an unique plane with its unique playstyle(including assisting playstyle). Though the Phenoix can’t get so many kill instantly, it can still disturb enemy team and provide cover for teammates. For example, an enemy with a fired SARH missile will give his missile up and defence when locked by a AIM54.
This is the only solution, not RECOMPRESSING the game.
it does need 9Ls. Otherwise I agree as far as the current compression is concerned
well fakours are funny. those who notch will be able to dodge whatever thrown at them anyway.
unlike r 77 they can actually reach over 10km
How about everyone gets better IR, all the tomcats. F14A gets 9L, F14IRIAF gets R73 and F14B gets 9M, all moves up in next decompression, in relative placement, moves to 13.0, and 13.3.
wth are you talking about, no such thing as multipath resistant missile
he is referring to how the aim54 will kill through splash a % of the time even when multipathed
“Multipath resistant” is the wrong way to describe it. There’s nothing about the phoenixe’s seeker that makes it resistant to multipathing. There are two ways that the phoenix can kill a multipathing target.
1: If the target is flying too low, then the phoenixe’s large warhead might still splash it. This is a bit unrealistic since the explosion shouldn’t be a sphere like that. It’s the same issue as the APHE detonations inside tanks being the wrong shape.
2: phoenixes are likely to be launched from very high altitudes. Multipathing vs attacks coming from above is less likely to protect you. Multipathing is basically what happens when two radar returns are flying too close to each other. You can observe the same effect take place vs the AI bombers in the arcade air assault mode. The bombers are in such tight formation that the radar starts merging returns together and targeting the empty space between the bombers. With multipathing you’re “flying in formation” with your reflection off of the ground. So the missile tries to attack the center of mass point between you and your reflection. From attacks launched around near the same altitude, that deviation is likely to cause the missile to miss completely. But if the attack is coming from high above, then the missile’s pursuit of your center of mass point is likely to still take the missile close enough to you to trigger the proximity fuse.
When fired from top down if you dont notch AND change alt a pheonix or r27 has plenty of explosives and radius to still kill you almost every time.
Reason why i still carry 2-4 r27er even in su30, having someone beneath you is extremely scary, and aim120 and r77/1 usually can just be multipathed and ignored but these 2 cant.
Though some missiles were much better at dealing with MP than others, for example, Skyflash was reported to have a min alt of 33m and that was stated to be because of the prox fuse and not because of MP. But even taken with that figure for MP, that would still nearly halve the current 60m we have on everything.
I’ve seen someone say before AMRAAM was more like 40m.
So “multipath resistant” is definetly the wrong phrase, if we used IRL data rather than a generic baseline, most if not all missiles would see MP reduced far further.
If you dont notch, any ARH/SARH missile will kill when shooting down with enough of an angle, especially when supported.
Its quite funny destroying MP huggers in SB in aircraft like the Tornado F3 and Typhoon.
13.3 is too much with the Aim-54 still being horrendous.
F14 is one of those planes due to compression that either clubs or gets clubbed, it had like 2 years of clubbing.
- Not true. It was strong for like ~6 months (Danger Zone Update). 9 if you include when the IRIAF event was going on.
- What does that have to do with what I said??
Perhaps, though if they ever fix BOL, and did give the F-14B Aim-9Ms. I dont think it would suffer too much whilst waiting for dual-plane to be modeled for the Aim-54 and other missiles
It is true, and mentioning that it doesnt perform well at 13.3 i think my response has plenty to do with that.
Not just Dual-Plane. It needs much more.
No, hes right, if it gets a downtier (12.0-13.0 for the IRIAF or F-14B or 11.7-12.7 for the F-14A) it holds a meaningful advantage against anything below it and should do quite well.
But when they are forced into the uptiers, they are at a disadvantage / lack any meaningful advantage
Also, F-14s came 2 years before ARH was added and controlled the high alt completely. MP was originally added to mitigate Aim-54s though Id argue the low alt hugging meta didnt set into stone until the R-27ER
Danger Zone was June 2022. Other ARH weapons werent added until June 2024