that shows you how relevant/recent the comparisons were lol, ja37d and j8f listed too
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I’m really not arrogant at all, I just stick by my proven knowledge.
You complain that there’s only “pre-MiG-29 flight models,” yet those are the planes the MiG-29 faces at it’s BR. Which was my argument. I’m not out here claiming it’s gonna dogfight a Rafale.
Also is this thread not about the F-14A? Which is the relevant comparison here.
You yourself have provided no proof that the MiG-29 is bad, you’ve just been saying that it is.
That’s just like, your opinion, man.
You back out of the T/W, then jump back in. Your reasons, I can’t be sure of.
Yes your top point was corrected, by multiple people above us.
The middle point, once again, you were not clear, and started moving goalposts after it backfired.
I consider that a complete abandonment of any attempt to reach an agreement, you’re just looking for the beef.
Yeah, no. It’s using a variety of planes because it was testing in a broader spectrum.
The J-8F has a higher BR than the MiG-29
The F-16s are at or around equal in BR too.
The JA-37D is 12.0 which means it doesn’t need a full uptier to face the other planes on the list.
The EJ Kai is 12.3 too, only one tick below the '29.
So once again, most of these planes surround the MiG-29 fair and square.
However, there are a few outliers. Who are there in part because they have a good T/W ratio, which was the argument.
P.S. after reading up a bit:
The argument was that an F-14 isn’t gonna win against a MiG-29 in a flat scissors fight.
In 2023, YEAH, in 2025? Lmao no.
Obviously, but I’m also not here to convince people. Anybody who HAS flown the 29 understands that it’s not a good aircraft with all of its FM nerfs and using R-60Ms at 12.7 for 2/3rd of its missile load… if you don’t so already then you are just ignorant of reality. I’m not here to convince deluded people who don’t see reality what is and what isn’t real.
Yeah no, it is literally a video released right when the 29 came out using pre-nerf FM statistics + comparing to what was AT THE TIME THE BEST JETS, THAT IS WHY THESE JETS ARE LISTED.
mental gymnastics
I give up, you can’t be argued with, you keep throwing baseless rhetorics at me, and when you run out you resort to this:
You simply can not be reasoned with, I’m out, you may seek attention elsewhere.
rofl so real f14a for 14.0
Well obviously lot of things changes since that comment and things are more rough than they were, but i still think that F-14s dont need to go down, even if they struggle a bit.
There are other things that can be done tho, F-14A should get 9Ls and 14B should get 9Ms
and r73 for iriaf
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I have yet to get around to play it properly, wouldnt R-73 + Fakour make for too strong of a combo?
no, the only reason r73 is strong on russian jets is hmd, iriaf doesnt have hmd, you also wouldnt be able to have more than 4 r73
Fair enough.
Not at all. Just as everyone predicted, people just don’t die to Fakours anymore. Just like people naturally stopped dying to Phoenixes. And with it being the F-14A, you can’t get to the ideal parameters for launches (outside of airspawns), which means your missiles perform worse overall. The R-73 won’t fix the problems the F-14A IRIAF has, but it’ll help it perform in its worst element, which is CQC.
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Eh, fair enough. Thinking about it, my one concern was that because Fakours are better than Phoenixes, it would end up being better than F-14B should it get R-73s, but then again, it has the same RWR as naval Phantoms and same amount of CMs.
F-14B has the RWR/Engine advantage still, IRIAF is using incredibly outdated avionics and FM at 13.0
oh i forgot it gets 9hs imo it should go to 13.0 but get 9ls and b to 13.3 for 9ms both are pretty good hard to balence so eh
that is nonsense. f15a is better in every way and it sits at 13.0 but f14 would go at 13.3 with 9ms?
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thats not necessary with current compression, if anything they both need those missiles at their current BRs.
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Always push for decompression, never to put stuff down to cause more compression. Also, in this plane’s case – I feel it’ll always stay in this sort of position because most people in ARB are base bombers, and base bombers can’t dodge AIM-54s…
It’s the eternal issue of skill present in this game. Mostly Gaijin’s fault for not teaching players properly, but still.
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i wish, my aim54s aint hit nothing
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