Don’t forget how the Su-25 and Su-39 can somehow survive multiple hits from Stinger missile and still fly like nothing happened.
My personal record is 5 missiles to down a Su-39.
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My personal is one and then I have no control surfaces or anything more
The most perplexing element about this discussion for me is people taking partial winrate data from Thunderskill as an accurate sample of (or worse, even the same as) actual winrates.
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Range, kill-maneuverability, and notchability.
AIM-7F compared to R-27R, AIM-7E-2, Super 530D, etc is so far ahead.
IOG is acting correctly but things without IOG aren’t at this time.
There is always room for radar missile improvement.
@AUSChalkWarrior
Which only really protects the UFP cause the turret is mostly unprotected when its aiming at you.
@KnightFelix
I’m glad you 100% agree with me nothing needs to be moved down.
You are here to defend Russia so I’ll be the one to criticize Russia as I always do.
Weird of you to claim that Leclerc & BVM’s turret are fine. [Leclerc’s turret is only slightly better than BVM’s].
Armored Warfare does not have spall liners.
Sweden has amazing ground from 5.3 to top BR.
France & Britain both share a fighter & strike CAS, which is separate spawn-point pools making their CAS inherently more lethal.
Ka-52? lol 10km TOW-2s aren’t that great.
Spikes don’t aim center mass anymore. No F&F system aims center anymore. They all aim in a cone.
Just because people dominated with Leclerc & BVM does not make them the most powerful machines.
@CrowsShinyWings
Russia and China don’t have equipment that dominates.
T-90M is Strv 122A equivalent and it’s still slower.
Type 99A is slightly worse than Strv 122A.
You’re defending Russian vehicles way too much.
They only remember things that support their case.
I suppose people forgot updates that introduced systems like thermals or commander overrides, which as we all know aren’t that prevalent on USSR vehicles below top tier.
Gaijin will release stuff according to the schedule, they don’t really care who’s going to be hurting.
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And they usually chuck things in that end up taking over whole BR brackets, a much bigger problem than any nation “bias”.
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Hate to be that guy but Strv 122A isn’t what people think of as “NATO”, they think of it as “Sweden”. So no, they are dominant, and that’s ignoring the fact the Russian and Chinese tanks are absolutely overpowered compared to real life.
And yeah with the T-90, hell the BVM, the ZTZ, shockingly having a tank that is near impervious from the front due to hull and turret mostly being protected, that’s dominant.
My challenger essentially cannot bounce shots, gets a giant hull that can be penned, gets the largest cannon breech that’s missing over half its armor, is slow, worst penning rounds, etc.
Yes the Leopard is good, but it can be damaged pretty easily, same cannot be said for those three.
Abrams improvements got shut down because Gaijin said so.
Which leads to the rightful complaints that NATO is biased against.
Though apparently at old top tier it wasn’t because when the first MBTs get introduced they dominant non MBTs, pikashock. And that there are no problems because at one point other nations got better equipment than others. Just laughable
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Soviet tanks in War Thunder pop turrets just like real life.
That’s not OP.
BVM has little armor just like real-life.
T-series tanks all have unclassified armor so their armor is accurate to real-life.
T-series tanks were never OP in War Thunder.
3BM42 was the best round until DM53 was added where 3BM44 was added. Then 3BM46 & 60 were added, and 60 can only be fired from T-72B3 at the time, and it still wasn’t enough to be as powerful as a DM53 equpped 2A5.
Steel Beasts would like to have a word with you
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The ammunition does not reliably detonate when struck directly as opposed to other nations however.
The upper glacis is 809mm RHAe vs KE and 1209mm RHAe vs CE, this is among the highest armour in the game.
The turret cheeks range between 689mm - 807mm RHAe vs KE, this is again among the highest in-game.
The composite armour of the T-90A’s turret, T-90M’s turret and exact performance of Kontakt-5 and Relikt against various ammunition types isn’t known however. Gaijin uses estimates for these armour values.
The T-80BVM was overpowered.
There’s an error in which the glacis armour of many T-series tanks is modelled however, most of them are overperforming by around 50-100mm due to how the LoS RHAe is converted to vertical RHAe.
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Oh hi. You have chosen the torch of a white knight for Russia. Respectable; I however must refute your defense of their military equipment.
T-80BVM was never overpowered. OFL 120 F1 ammo performance, armor better than a Leclerc worse than Leopards especially those of Swedish origin, and not as powerful in pressure as other MBTs.
BVM’s UFP, which is 730 - 770mm LOS BTW, means nothing when its turret is <400mm protected against KE.
DM23 pens most of the turret; and nearly all the turret once the front ERA is gone.
Highest armor in game BTW goes to Leopard 2A5+ turrets which have 730 - over 800mm of protection.
Ammunition reliably detonates if you aim for it. Just cause 2A5, Ariete, Leclerc, & T-series have identical 0.15 cook chance doesn’t mean that’s your maximum chance. More fragments that hit ammo the higher the chance of cook.
T-90M’s turret is currently T-90A with slightly less weakspots. Relikt & K5 protection values are well known.
T-80BVM’s bad turret is why the meta in BVM is to rush the enemy.
It’s useless hull-down so you might as well pressure the enemy.
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That is not the ammo cookout chance, it is a chance for a explosion of your tank dead body when you are killed
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Oh? Are you certain?
Cause the datamine community led me to believe otherwise.
Either way it’s identical to other tanks.
From what i know gszabi said that it blooms out here and there on reddit as a ammo exp chance, but it is not it, it is a model explosion after death
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Also he is not white Knighting russains stop with ur maskirovka.
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Every MBT in War Thunder has poor armour surrounding it’s gun mantlet.
It’s just a coincidence that your T-80BVM has the highest win percentage out of any top-tier MBT you play.
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Your screenshots are null & void because you’re looking from 0mm off the ground. No tank gun is 0mm in height.
The only time you’ll ever have those shots against a T-80BVM is if they’re on a hill and you’re below them, which you’ll just shoot the LFP instead.
Dude, you’re claiming the ENTIRE turret is the gun mantlet… wow.
Over-lapping armor glitch is well known, that is an issue on Leopard 2s as well which is why I didn’t include the 1200mm protection on Leopard 2s as that’s part of the glitch.
There’s no public win-rate data, and win-rate is a factor of team skill, not power of a vehicle.
KDR compared to other tanks played by the same person is the factor of a vehicle.
I’d say about 95% of this community does not understand how the Armour Analysis tool should be used, that’s why I’ve created a chart that explains it to them so that they can start to use it correctly.
Read this please:
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I advise you to go and read the German Bild and Die Welt about the recent visit to Poland of German specialists in which the German leopards of the sixth series are being repaired. And you will find out that they were surprised to learn that more than half of the faulty tanks never met the enemy, but were damaged as a result of the absolute inability to move across the fields of Ukraine. The point that is especially clearly noted is that if you do not loosen the basic tension of the caterpillar on the rollers, then soon the caterpillar will simply break. You can read the Washington Post, which published an article about the superiority of Russian tanks on the very day the Abrams were handed over to Ukraine. I won’t even talk about the Challenger; the complete lack of interest of other countries in it speaks of its effectiveness. Leclerc is very expensive and in terms of price-quality ratio it is not at all successful. Yes, NATO tanks are superior to Russian tanks in cities, but in the field they are not only the most noticeable target, but also a target that cannot move normally across this field, and let us not forget that in reality the loader cannot load in 5 seconds.
That chart is null & void cause the camera goes below the gun.
On top of that you didn’t do that, you went below the hull as indicated by the fact the gun top was not visible.
The gun is depressed by 1 degree.
Mounted 2 meters above the ground 1 degree is ~120 meters.
The top of the gun should be visible beyond 120 meters FROM THE GROUND.
And it should always be visible from Abrams because gun mount is of similar height.
The underside of the barrel should never be seen on T-series tanks when checking armor.
No tank is short enough to see the underside of its barrel within 120 meters, and few are able to see it at 10 meters.
