IRIS-T is a German-developed missile found on all Eurofighters, what are you on. The AMK kit won’t make the German EF somehow better at BVR combat.
Morvan with all do respect, but you are taking nonsense now, there is a huge difference between an upgrade in flying performance that will only help you in dogfights in a BVR meta and an non stopable 25Km rnage IIR missile,don’t mix stuff up and try to mve away from the core argument
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Right? and?
Does Germany operate
- PIRATE (beyond test aircraft)
- Aim-9Ms (it had Aim-9Li-1s but they arent smokeless so it got 9Ms for parity)
- Aim-120C5s? (from what I could find they only used Bs and C8s and C8s arent in game yet)
- Brimstones (Brimstone 3s are planned for delivery in a few years, but arent in service yet)
- Paveway IVs.
etc etc
Your ENTIRE aargument is that Germany should get a MASSIVE FM buff to compensate for a minor radar performance difference so that it can be “unique” whilst simutaneously taking “unique” features from the other EFT operators because “well Typhoon is a Typhoon”.
It makes no sense.
Seriously. Like I keep saying, asking for AMK to compensate for the differences between Mk1 and Mk2 is like saying that Britain should get MMW Brimstone 2s to compensate for not getting GBU-48s. Which is an insane argument to make.
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It’s not difficult any person with half the intelligence will know there is a mistake the Mk.1 is based on the Mk.0 it doesn’t make any sense that a literal update with more range and power and same mechanical movement will perform worse than thw weaker version.
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Im sorry, how EXACTLY will Mk1 make the German Typhoon DOA in BVR combat?
It performs identically to the Mk2 and has Identical A2A missiles (which it never used IRL). The only exception is that the Italian and British Typhoons can see a bit better when sat in the notch than the German Typhoon can.
If the Mk1 was fixed facing forwards with no GImbal, I would 100% understand the complaint, but its not. The difference is so small that I doubt you would actually realistically notice. But to then claim you need a MAJOR buff like AMK to compensate for that difference is insane.
If Germany gets AMK, then the only “fair” thing to do would be to give Italy and Britain an equally large buff to compesnate, like Meteors for example.
To claim that “AMK is a little buff” is just being untruthful. Its a major improvement to ITR, AoA and Roll rate.
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Yup, basically the German Eurofighter gets to stay uniquely worse so that everyone else gets to shit on the German EF for being left behind. How often do you get in a merge or a 1v1 situation in top tier. The fur ball ends in less than 5 minutes, and anyone rarely ever gets up close.
But no, no, you don’t get it. Germany can’t receive something domestic to make up for the worse radar performance, that’s unfair!
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Gotta love how the couple times Gaijin doesn’t just copy paste, its always to make the german one worse for some reason.
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It’s not for the compensation anymore it’s what we deserve, we deserve an accurate German EF, Mk.1 can do the ±100° gaijin just don’t want to admit it, Germany have Brims 2 and 3 used 120s have other fancy things that will keeps us well fed, i am asking for the AMK bc developed and tested by German EF and pilots not British or Italian ones, i want the AMK bc after years Germany deserve something unique for it and for it self only antil others buy the equivalent, i want the AMK bc German mains deserve it, bc after mosre than a year suffering against F-16, F-14s, Gripens and other aircrafts on the same class while all we got is a damn F4F, we deserve something.
And if anyone is mad about this fact go and tell Italy and Britain to make better Eurofighters, it’s not our fault that Germany actually care about the things they develop.
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German top tier air was dead for years, F-4s and Mig-29s were all you had. Germany needs something unique for once in its pathetic existence in this game.
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german mains demand to be the most OP once again
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My Argument is this.
So far, evidence suggests Mk1 has a smaller FoR than Mk2.
Germany is fitting the Mk1 and Italy and Britain is planning the Mk2.
I have no issue with Germany getting +/- 100 if it can be 100% confirmed that Mk1 is the same.
But…
Claiming that this will render Germany DOA is just nonsense. In 99% of fights, you wont even notice a difference. The difference in performance is minimal
Claiming that Germany NEEDS AMK to compensate for this difference is also insane. It would instantly make the German Typhoon better than the RAF and Italian Typhoons significantly given just how useless Aim-120C5s actually are in any BVR fight and how most of the time you are operating at ranges where the AMK would actually be signficant. even in BVR the AMK would help with defensive flying.
Claiming that Germany needs AMK to compensate for this difference would be akin to Britain saying it needs FnF Brimstone 2s to compensate for the fact we dont have GBU-48 (or our native equivalent, the ePaveway II) which obviously would be insane.
AMK has not entered service yet but is a part of P4E, other nations have yet to make a decision whether they will fit it yet. By the time that AMK is actually appropriate to be added to the game, other nations might have also fitted AMK. Other nations did not test AMK natively because they sent test pilots to fly the consortium aircraft in Germany. Though using this argument, only Britain should get Spear-3s and Spear-glide because they are the only ones to have tested them yet.
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the German one HAS to be worse, BECAUSE IT JUST DOES OK?
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Rare and regrettable Morvran L.
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Most likely nothing will change during and after the dev server. It is what it is
and why does the german one HAVE to be the best by a signficant margin with AMK?
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“worse” in a way that is unnoticable in 99.9% of situations sure thing
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Idk maybe bc it’s unique to them right now and they are the one who tested it and developed it, it’s very strange why should Germany get the thing that they developed to improve thier Eurofighters, very genus question. And if you are so tempted by this significant margin in performance, i can assure you not a single sole in here will mind the German EF being at a higher br than others.
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you have a much better notching window while keeping lock with the extra 10 degrees each side
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again, you are arguing that “AMK should ONLY be for Germany because its “unique” to only them”
(though it is part of the P4E standard for all nations and we do not know yet whether other nations will do the full P4E upgrade which could include AMK, just Germany is 2-3 years ahead of other nations as they didnt wait for Mk2)
But by the logic of “uniqueness” then should loadouts be made unique?
Limit all 3 nations to loadout options it actually uses IRL (not tested, actually has in service and uses).
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In this regard. The only nation with Brimstones would be Britain, as Germany isnt getting them till Brimstone 3 delivery in 2028.
Germany also doesnt use the Aim-120C5. From what I can find, only B, C8 and D-3? So that would mean removal Aim-120C5s until C8s or Ds were added.
etc etc
The argument that the German Typhoon should be the best kinematically for “uniqueness” whislt simutanously taking “uniqueness” away from the Italian and especially British Typhoons is such a wierd argument.
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Im still not convicned it would really make any difference most of the time.
You can still sit in the notch whilst guiding the missile in DL which may or may not really make that big of a difference in the German Typhoon.
The number of situations where Britain and Italy get a kill or survive being shot at because of those extra 10 degrees is going to be exceedingly rare.
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