Man, I don’t understand you, honestly. I do get the absurdity of DoA claim though. My thing is that when we got previous Typhoon - Germany got screwed with Pirate and LWS, while second one is negligible, the absence of Pirate was a pretty big disadvantage given how utterly unusable the radar was all along. But fine, fine, okay, you need to make them different? Fine, fine, we still eat.
This time though… See, my german player, we’re putting you at a disadvantage, but at the same time we’re not giving you an advantage equal to having a Pirate (which would be AMK). Because why? If you’re having a view preset on making them all different - fine, give AMK and leave Mk.1. If not - fine, give us Mk.2 - give everyone AMK as well. It’s the same plane, joint effort - there wasn’t and isn’t any sense in trying to make them different based on solely making a single one worse every time.
Because the disadvantege of having Mk1 over Mk2 is substantially smaller than having AMK over not having AMK.
The comparison I keep using, because i think its a good analogy is that its akin to arguing that Britain should get FnF Brimstone 2s to “compensate” for the fact that Britain doesnt get GBU-48s only Mk18s.
The difference between GBU-48s and Mk18s? GBU-48s get GNSS, Mk18s dont. (for some reason they wont add ePaveway IIs)
Do you see the comparison?
AMK is not some little buff that wouldnt really change much. It would instantly catapult the German Typhoon to being significantly better than the Italian and British Typhoons, way way more so than those extra 10 degrees could ever actually influence.
At this moment in time, im of the opinion that hte difference in performance is so small, that you wont even really notice any difference 99% of the time and so there is no need for anything to “compensate” for the difference in performance.
Id understand if the Mk1 was fixed and the Mk2 was gimballed, but both Typhoons can sit in a notch and guide a missile.
Should Britain and Italy get Arexis when ECM gets modeled? and if we dont, what should we get to compensate, Meteors?
oh come on for you all that doesn’t agree with amk cause of significant buff can’t you just push for equal radar for germany? even if the radar buff will be unnoticeable at least it will give germany the exact same eft as italy and britain and not objectively worse eft again, and in a case that ±10 degree proved to be useful for average pilot germany will not be screwed by not having extra gimball
Doesnt have to be, Mk0 or Mk2 would be more than fine. Nobody would be saying a peep if that occured, but instead Germany gets shafted again, and you’re acting like its no biggy because you only play the UK Typhoon, so it doesnt effect you.
You’re hyper focusing on the wrong thing.
So this is taking the uniqueness from Britain and Italy but when the same thing happened to the first German EF when it didn’t get it’s PIRATE, that was fine and it didn’t take away the uniqueness from it, your hypocrisy and double sanders sickness me.
I have actually voted for Germany to just get the Mk2.
But I also personally beleive the issue is being blown waaaaaay out of propriton and I dont think you will actually really notice any difference and the claims that AMK is a “minor” buff that wont really change much is just being at best dishonest and worst, intentionally misleading.
AMK to compensate for Mk1’s difference is just kinda insane to me
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AMK ONLY being addable to Germany because its a “unique” modification ONLY for them is also a bit of a nonsense argument in my opinion.
Well we didn’t have Pirate for a whole year, during that time British Typhoon was the best. Maybe for the next period of time the German would, does AMK provide a high speed advantage? Isn’t it like the low speed only thing?
Dude, don’t be so emotional. I doubt anyone is opposing Italy and Britain having AMK here. What we’re against is Germany getting fcked again and again. Everything top tier related that was given to Germany after typhoon was either nerfed into death or DoE and even typhoon was given missing the only real work around for it’s dogsht radar. By the way, ability to maintain a datalink at angles of > 90 degrees is a much bigger advantage that you’re trying to make it seem.
Hey, Germany didnt want PIRATE, tehy dont fit PIRATE, but they have just been given PIRATE. What more do you want?
But shall we ONLY give Spear-3s and Spear-Glides to Britain because its a unique modification for them.
Should ONLY the Italian Typhoon have the ability to carry ASRAAMs and IRIS-T at the same time?
Its just a wierd double standard that the only Typhoon allowed to be “unique” and distinctively better than the other 2 should be Germany.
This was because Britain gets paired with France the msot often. Otherwise the Italian Typhoon would be on par. Unless you think that LWR is an OP feature for ARB
Yes, much better ITR and AoA. Would make notching a lot easier if im not mistaken
ten degrees is sod all.
Not really. They’re right in the margin where those 10 degrees matter. Hence the discussion.
I do agree, and I don’t find myself in situations where I am notching hard while also using DL.
The difference won’t be noticeable in almost every normal gameplay situation, and I doubt it would make it so much worse. Even the base EFT will still be a fine aircraft once the update drops IMO.
I think Germany should just get the better radar, and AMK will make it too good. I say this as someone who only has the German EFT. Even if nothing changes it will still be the 2nd best plane in the game.
I never made that claim. I provided the info for AMK and why I suggested it as a potential option.
Its about as nonsensical as only the UK getting LWS, Germany not getting PIRATE on their previous EFT, and Germany being saddled with a strictly worse radar, particularly in a world where Smin has explicitly stated compatibility is all that is needed for consideration, balance considerations have lead to non-american AH-64E’s operating weapons and subsystems they dont get irl in-game, or Malaysian Su-30MKM’s getting Kh-38M’s.
This is the very definition of “rules for me, not for thee”, everyone is allowed balance except Germany, screw Germany. If Germany isnt allowed to get XYZ subsystems because they’ve tested them but don’t field them (but are capable to), then why is it ok for AMK to be provided to nations that have not tested or purchased it (but are capable to)?
Dude take them and the brims if you want there is SPICE 250 and other alternatives and equal that are used.
If you want unique loadout then maybe make a suggestion for it, for me i did the bug report of a German AMK, it’s accurate and real if you don’t like this then that’s not my problem.
a potential solution what would be worthy of a whole BR increase.
the LERX and longer flaps from AMK provide extreme flight performance improvements well beyond balancing a couple degrees less scan
I think it’s actually a disadvantage, lol. The year ago they made a distinction of weaponry and equipment(like radar, IRST or jammers) when thinking about who gets what. That’s why Germany was denied Pirate in the first place. It’s a weird and dumb standard. Just give an Mk.2 and AMK to everyone. But I think the whole AMK story should stay up till it’s fixed. Because it’s the only way to make people that think that 10 degrees is not that big of a disadvantage (it is a disadvantage though) to pay attention to the problem and not just ignore it.
I don’t want it to be written off as another Germany problem and forgotten (like what happened with SLM)
because the model of eurofighter Wt was aiming for doesnt have pirate in the luftwaffe.
pirate also still doesnt work for anything so germany was never missing out on anything other than using a camera to spot what type of plane something is a tiny bit earlier.
the game isnt ready for AMK and a mk2 for everyone isnt quite accurate, just like pirate for all on the previous typhoons
we need modern missiles and major increases in BR first before AMK would not be moronic
Others are though, thats the issue.
LWS is such a niche thing, that I hardly even remember ive got it, in an entire year. Its saved me maybe once?
Given that loadouts are 100% identical, making the Typhoons at least minimally different makes sense, a reason to actually bother grinding more than 1. Given that laodouts are the main difference IRL, PIRATE was and still is a sensible difference to model. Given that Germany doesnt actually operate PIRATE on their in-service airframes.
This attitude I dont understand.
Germany has gotten loadout options it never used.
Germany is getting IRST it doesnt actually use (beyond test aircraft)
Strictly speaking. If this was 100% accurate.
The German Typhoon would have Aim-9Li and Aim-120Bs, no PIRATE, Mk1 radar and its only A2G options would be various GBUs.
So this attitude that somehow Germany is getting screwed because of an extremely small difference in radar performance just seems to be wierd.
This is really downplaying it.