The new one does, the old one does not.
I’d give it to both of them, I only ever opposed it when german origin players were at the time, gatekeeping AMK. I share the same opinion with Brimstone, either you share everything, or you share nothing.
When i play air in war thunder i only playing sim since 3 years. I play all three EF-2000 and have to say, pirate isn’t a game changer often. especially not when you can’t fire aim-120 with the current implementation of the pirate. when gaijin will fix that, it will have an higher impact.
the highest impact from my perspective is a good working TWS mode. if you have this your awareness increase a lot especially when someone shoot multiple missle against you and bringing you into right intercept position.
but we all have different playstyles, maybe it’s a much highter benefit for you, but for me not. i check my ef-2000 stats and my german one is the best one. it also depends on your team afterall
Let the germans have a fun Meta-Plane for once! France has the HOBS missile Meta in Air Battles, Sowjets have the Kh-38 Meta in ground battles, why not let the germans have the dogfight meta plane? :D
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Why not let the Consortium have the fun Consortium funded Consortium intended addon kit so there’s a fun Consortium dogfight meta plane.
Give us all everything, its a collaboration after all and ironically currently Germany is the one benefiting the most from that fact.
Hence why they should get ECRS MK.0
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I mean… Its a German airframe, with German markings, based in Germany, operated by German pilots. I dont think its a stretch to call it German.
Even if you did want to say “its not German, its a consortium aircraft”, Germany is the only nation confirmed to have purchased AMK with plans to implement it into their service aircrafts. Its also the only nation I can find to have allocated funding to finalize the development of AMK, though its possible other nations have pitched in (granted I cant find anything confirming that atm).
Balance-wise, ECRS Mk0/2 for everyone makes more sense atm, but if people want to split hairs on who gets what as nation-specific things, all current evidence points to AMK going to Germany only.
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Maybe they’ll do it like with the IRIS-T missile developement: The developement partners get discounts based on how much they contributed while those who didn’t contribute can still buy it but have to pay the full price.
Might throw this in here as well.
German Eurofighter (AESA) missing it’s aerodynamic modification
for the ppl that will argue that it’s a substantial improvement, well that’s what’s the AMK is made for, plus it will make the German EF rather unique, just like last time when German EF was unique by not having PIRATE compared to Italian and British EFs or LWS compared to British EF, and in the same way it have MK. 1 (which should be have ±100°FOR but we got bamboozled bc Hensoldt only mentioned the FOV of ±90°) when other EFs have MK.2.
AMK will be available to all partners, and can be retrofitted to all airframes, Germany is just the only one I can find evidence of funding the kit and actually having purchased it.
Id be kind of surprised if the other nations don’t hop on with the AMK thing in the future tho, either buying it after its completed, or funding it before its completed.
The issue is the degree of the upgrade. If the none AMK Typhoon is 14.3, the AMK Typhoon is 15.0 easily.
LWS is incredibly niche.
PIRATE is very situational.
AMK would make the German Typhoon absolutely dominant. in a 1v1 vs Typhoons, the German Typhoon always wins, that would just be dull. Especially if none of the other unique elements are modeled between airframes currently. Like the best for CAS should be the FGR4, by quite a significant margin. Its actually the weakest (by a small margin)
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one question from my side, do we know if the T4 Aircraft get the AMK-Kit or/and will the T3 Models will be retrofitted with them like how they retrofit them with the aesa radar?
how did this get hidden bro
It’s highly possible AMK can be fitted to all existing airframes even T1s since it only require a software update to adjust for the new control surfaces and the AMK as hardware is compatible with all Tranches.
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First we need a good radar model for everyone. ±10 degrees isn’t going to make that much difference, so step by step, there are still a lot of bugs to fix before debating whether they should add the AMK or change the radar by ±10 degrees
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My concern is not with compatibility, but with the implementation by the German Air Force. Because i only know that they order it, but nothing about which aircraft will be fitted with that and how many.
Exactly
CAESER vs CAPTOR-E I’d get.
But Mk1 vs Mk2 is a wierd hill to die on considering the MOUNTAIN of year+ old issues that would be a bigger buff overall. Like fixing BOL, buffing Aim-120s, finishing the FM. etc etc
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I don’t see the problem in that, PIRATE was very strong back then too when it was able to fire ARH from it although is was removed, LWS was helpful in situational awareness plus was useful against some form of missiles, but in a meta that reward BVR and the one with the most ARH and better speed will will, AMK won’t help lot in that regard, in a dogfights ye i can see your point but it’s something that will be adjusted with BR increase even though not alot of dogfighting is happening in toprier
This is so ignorant bro, we all have the exact same plane barring a few minor features. Ten degrees really wont destroy you, and in reality the EF-2000 is already the second best plane in the game.
For a member of the big three be grateful you guys get what you get. Personally im still salty you guys got the best (in my opinion) Tornado in the game, which actually has fake armament that it never got. Then the Italy A-200C was absolutely trash upon implementation, and we still dont have a truely good bomb like a Lizard-4 and god forbid we get a fire and forget missile. I dont think that 2x SCALP-EG would break the game, considering what we already have
And here I thought that the joke, or rather the degree of unseriousness, was obvious…
Indeed but my point is morseo about AMK itself. That was funded by the Eurofighter consortium, flown by consortium pilots from all nations. It’s just airbus was the primary contractor on this modification, and fit it on IPA 07 but you’d be saying the exact same thing as me if they’d chosen to fit it on the BAE consortium aircraft, which would’ve made no sense because why would you ship it to the UK.
But not in service, the only example was fit explicitly to an aircraft doing flight tests on behalf of the consortium which was funded and flown by the consortium. The second you ignore that it was an aircraft that is registered in Germany with WTD 61 for legal reasons everyone gets an equal claim.
It was funded as part of P4E which every partner is obliged to fund.
Agree with the first half, second half I will absolutely split hairs that consortium operated development aircraft using consortium funded equipment should be made accessible to the whole consortium in-game.
The other option is relinquish PIRATE, Brimstone until you receive deliveries and Brimstone 3 is in-game, Paveways, AIM-9M.
I don’t think its worth it over just sharing…