where do i write that german EF-2000 should get AMK, mk1 and pirate?
Second things is, even when delieveries just started recently. The important things is that the radar is ready for delievery / for retrofitting. The mk2 is still in development.
You do so much whataboutism. When i’m right, germany also order Brimstones. Aim-9L/i-1 isn’t modeled correctly ingame. Like i mention before remove pirate, no deal i think. Paveway also fine, when the plane is getting is air-to-ground weapons.
Why are you acting so bad? Maybe you should learn to stay on topic.
The topic is about to find a solution between the different models.
My critics is that some of you are crying because of the idea to introduce the amk kit at the same time you are fine with mk2 radar. The fact is that the amk is ordered and the development is finished, another fact is that the mk2 radar is still on development, also ordered but not finished yet.
So my solution would be give the german EF-2000 it’s 200° radar like airbus mention it and that should be enough for this time.
Another solution would be don’t release a new set of EF-2000 for UK/ITA until the MK2 is ready. Just release a second german EF-2000 with MK1 and no pirate and no amk until they have their machines on the airstrips.
edit i’ll search for the retrofit source, i’m not sure if it was an international source or a german one.
Literally right here, you are saying that Germany should get Mk1 and Italy and UK shouldnt get Mk2 and by implication, no AESA at all.
My opinion?
Its an issue being blown MASSIVELY out of proporition. German mains are making it out like those lost 10 degrees of FoV will make their airframe DOA, despite the fact they have:
PIRATE
AIM-9M
Paveway IV
Brimstones
That they shouldnt have. I think this tiny, almost totally irrelevant difference in modeling isnt worth the effort German mains are putting into getting it fixed. Especially given the far far larger issues that everyone has with the EFT at the moment, like the unfinished FM, the broken BOL, massive modeling issues, etc etc.
and here Germans are asking for the AMK as compensation, a MASSIVE FM buff because they are loosing out on a little bit of a QoL buff. Its like saying that Germany and Italy can get MMW Brimstone 2s but only Britain can get MMW Spear-3s because we are the only ones that have trialed them.
Keep the EFT’s unique across nations in a balanced manner
Keep the EFT’s the same so nobody is getting screwed
Screw the Germans
I wrote up the AMK suggestion first because its the one I had the sources on hand for, didnt think people would get angry about the order i wrote the choices in…
The difference between Mk1 and Mk2 is small. I doubt most would really notice the difference.
The difference between AMK and no AMK would be like giving Britain MMW Spear-3s and not giving Germany and Italy any Brimstones, let alone MMW Brimstones because “Only Britain operates them”
You’re describing how desperately German “mains” are demanding things to remain competitive.
But right now, you’re just trying to make the British EF-2000 superior to the German one. To me, you’re very British-biased and don’t want a balanced game.
Furthermore, you once again fail to address the fact that the MK2 radar is still under development. And you continue to ignore the fact that the MK1 radar and AMK kit are ready for installation, if not that the first vehicles have already been completed.
Sorry i can’t take it serious anymore, you read anything but not what i wrote.
You are attempting to imply the following references to my previously asked question with a comment I made afterward.
You don’t need to bother any further; I will no longer consider your comments. You’re not focused on finding a solution, but rather, in my opinion, pursuing a foolish goal that doesn’t aim for a good gaming experience.
I’m also wondering if you’ll be advocating in the future that the British EF-2000 not receive IRIS-T, etc. I suspect not.
edit I like how you “attack” me because you think I’m a German main.
I’m curious to see what other ideas the other users will contribute.
So, you are saying that Britain has to stick with the CAPTOR-M for the next 3 years in-game because its not ready yet, but Germany should get Mk1 and AMK?
And you are accusing me of being biased?
That is the most hilarious and rediculous take ever.
Well. Im looking forward to MMW Spear-3s whilst Germany is using GBU-54s for CAS
and as ASRAAM entered service first I guess Britain should get ASRAAM before IRIS-T is added to the Germany EFTs.
Also METEOR was tested on RAF aircraft, so i guess we get that first too
No. I have actually been very vocal about the EFT NOT getting both. Besides ASRAAM is the better missile. Im imagining German mains will be heavily advocating getting ASRAAM far more than British mains will be advocating for IRIS-T
Whats more important, gaining around 40 percent more aoa or roughly 10 percent increase in radar gimbal limit?
It’s not like german euro is gonna be suffering either, it still gets second biggest azimuth in the game.
I would rather it just get mk 0 or mk 2, but giving it AMK is not the move
Like I said, people are free to have their own opinions on the suggestion, I havent cast a vote myself.
Some people want the jets to be unique so I provided the AMK option, others want them to be balanced so I provided the replace radar option, and others just want german players to get screwed cuz they don’t like german player, so I gave them a voice too.
I would prefer that the new branch of EF-2000 get all equal radars and weaponary. So every nation get something new with maybe a working radar from now. Also they should remove pirate from the german ef-2000 like they did before. also the LWS should be unique, because that are small gimmicks.
So in the end, we have the same EF-2000 before, just all of them with a new AESA Radar for the christmas time
"Nach den Evaluierungen und Tests in der ersten Hälfte des Jahres 2025 planen Hensoldt und Indra die Serienproduktion des Mk1 Step 1 im Sommer 2025. Das ECRS Mk1 wird bei Airbus Defence and Space in Eurofighter Quadriga-Flugzeuge eingebaut. Die ersten Eurofighter Quadriga (Tranche 4) sollen nach dem 19. Rüstungsbericht des BMVg noch in diesem Jahr ausgeliefert werden. "
That means, they produced step 1 /phase 1 radars this year summer time for the T4 Models, which will delivered this year. Where is the cope? #googletranslator
Secondly, Germany didn’t get PIRATE because they didn’t fund it, they didn’t get ECRS MK.0/2 because they didn’t fund or mount it, I would give them MK.0 for gameplay regardless, and as a secondary point because it appears they might end up using it. But now you do, so might as well standardise sensor armament.
AMK has been researched and developed by the consortium (yes primarily Airbus as lead but the whole consortium is obliged to be involved in any airframe changes), and more importantly, it was funded, and flown by every member of the consortium from test pilots, company pilots and service pilots. I still view IPA 07 as a bad argument as its a consortium test aircraft.
But I support all the aircraft being equal, hell its not like we don’t get Brimstones you don’t have or use (yet) in order to stay competitive.
Well, if US Mains can get their ahistorical AN/ALE-40 on their beloved F-5C because of exported versions of F-5A can.
And when we have much more of those damn ‘technically it can’ theories all over the War Thunder.
On the consistency side, I think I have no right to resist the idea of giving ECRS Mk.0 or Mk.2 on German EFT.
You guys have the right to get the same plane as us in WT, I guess.
With a 200% joke, if I really, really need to go against that solution,
Maybe because I need to sing the Rule Britannia song in a silly tone.
IMO its hard to call it German when yes its a German airframe but it’s really an Airbus test Airframe owned and operated by WTD 61 on behalf of the Eurofighter consortium registered as a German military aircraft because that’s how the law works, it’s a little bit like the Meteor MK.8 Reaper but its owned by a consortium which is made of numerous nations rather than a single origin company.
I’d give it to both of them, I only ever opposed it when german origin players were at the time, gatekeeping AMK. I share the same opinion with Brimstone, either you share everything, or you share nothing.
When i play air in war thunder i only playing sim since 3 years. I play all three EF-2000 and have to say, pirate isn’t a game changer often. especially not when you can’t fire aim-120 with the current implementation of the pirate. when gaijin will fix that, it will have an higher impact.
the highest impact from my perspective is a good working TWS mode. if you have this your awareness increase a lot especially when someone shoot multiple missle against you and bringing you into right intercept position.
but we all have different playstyles, maybe it’s a much highter benefit for you, but for me not. i check my ef-2000 stats and my german one is the best one. it also depends on your team afterall