wait you guys are crying about AMK in the same time you get two ef-2000 with mk2 that isn’t ready yet?
big uffffff
AMK tests are done? MK2 tests are still on duty?
But yeah, gaijin/bug mods are is still … FoV isn’t FoR.
All EF-2000 should get the same capabillities or dont release mk2 eurofighters because they doesnt exist at the moment. Germany remodel some of their ef-2000 with mk.1 since 2022/3 so…
RAF Eurofighter with ECRS Mk2
still on test phase… like i mention before…
addedit It’ll be not finished before 2028
Like the Typhoon IPA7 that has the ECRS mk1 and PIRATE?
little bit whataboutism…
They can remove the Pirate from german Eurofighter, BUT german has the first Luftwaffle EF-2000 with mk.1 on duty
Got evidence of that?
Deliveries began 2 months ago? but I have yet to see anything about them actually entering service yet. Date was next year I beleive for them to be operational. But Germany specifically took a worse radar to get them in service sooner.
But are you really arguing that Germany should get PIRATE, AMK and ECRS Mk1 and the RAF and Italian Typhoons shouldnt get AMK and ECRS because only germany has trialed them so far?
Then lets remove PIRATE, Aim-9Ms, Brimstones and Paveway IVs from the German Typhoons
First things first,
where do i write that german EF-2000 should get AMK, mk1 and pirate?
Second things is, even when delieveries just started recently. The important things is that the radar is ready for delievery / for retrofitting. The mk2 is still in development.
You do so much whataboutism. When i’m right, germany also order Brimstones. Aim-9L/i-1 isn’t modeled correctly ingame. Like i mention before remove pirate, no deal i think. Paveway also fine, when the plane is getting is air-to-ground weapons.
Why are you acting so bad? Maybe you should learn to stay on topic.
The topic is about to find a solution between the different models.
My critics is that some of you are crying because of the idea to introduce the amk kit at the same time you are fine with mk2 radar. The fact is that the amk is ordered and the development is finished, another fact is that the mk2 radar is still on development, also ordered but not finished yet.
So my solution would be give the german EF-2000 it’s 200° radar like airbus mention it and that should be enough for this time.
Another solution would be don’t release a new set of EF-2000 for UK/ITA until the MK2 is ready. Just release a second german EF-2000 with MK1 and no pirate and no amk until they have their machines on the airstrips.
edit i’ll search for the retrofit source, i’m not sure if it was an international source or a german one.
Literally right here, you are saying that Germany should get Mk1 and Italy and UK shouldnt get Mk2 and by implication, no AESA at all.
My opinion?
Its an issue being blown MASSIVELY out of proporition. German mains are making it out like those lost 10 degrees of FoV will make their airframe DOA, despite the fact they have:
That they shouldnt have. I think this tiny, almost totally irrelevant difference in modeling isnt worth the effort German mains are putting into getting it fixed. Especially given the far far larger issues that everyone has with the EFT at the moment, like the unfinished FM, the broken BOL, massive modeling issues, etc etc.
and here Germans are asking for the AMK as compensation, a MASSIVE FM buff because they are loosing out on a little bit of a QoL buff. Its like saying that Germany and Italy can get MMW Brimstone 2s but only Britain can get MMW Spear-3s because we are the only ones that have trialed them.
AMK on the German EFT would be nation specific. The German EFT is the only one seen testing it, and the only one currently confirmed to be getting it.
You can look at the options being more like:
I wrote up the AMK suggestion first because its the one I had the sources on hand for, didnt think people would get angry about the order i wrote the choices in…
The issue is that its a massive buff.
The difference between Mk1 and Mk2 is small. I doubt most would really notice the difference.
The difference between AMK and no AMK would be like giving Britain MMW Spear-3s and not giving Germany and Italy any Brimstones, let alone MMW Brimstones because “Only Britain operates them”
You’re describing how desperately German “mains” are demanding things to remain competitive.
But right now, you’re just trying to make the British EF-2000 superior to the German one. To me, you’re very British-biased and don’t want a balanced game.
Furthermore, you once again fail to address the fact that the MK2 radar is still under development. And you continue to ignore the fact that the MK1 radar and AMK kit are ready for installation, if not that the first vehicles have already been completed.
Sorry i can’t take it serious anymore, you read anything but not what i wrote.
You are attempting to imply the following references to my previously asked question with a comment I made afterward.
You don’t need to bother any further; I will no longer consider your comments. You’re not focused on finding a solution, but rather, in my opinion, pursuing a foolish goal that doesn’t aim for a good gaming experience.
I’m also wondering if you’ll be advocating in the future that the British EF-2000 not receive IRIS-T, etc. I suspect not.
edit I like how you “attack” me because you think I’m a German main.
I’m curious to see what other ideas the other users will contribute.
So, you are saying that Britain has to stick with the CAPTOR-M for the next 3 years in-game because its not ready yet, but Germany should get Mk1 and AMK?
And you are accusing me of being biased?
That is the most hilarious and rediculous take ever.
Well. Im looking forward to MMW Spear-3s whilst Germany is using GBU-54s for CAS
and as ASRAAM entered service first I guess Britain should get ASRAAM before IRIS-T is added to the Germany EFTs.
Also METEOR was tested on RAF aircraft, so i guess we get that first too
No. I have actually been very vocal about the EFT NOT getting both. Besides ASRAAM is the better missile. Im imagining German mains will be heavily advocating getting ASRAAM far more than British mains will be advocating for IRIS-T
Whats more important, gaining around 40 percent more aoa or roughly 10 percent increase in radar gimbal limit?
It’s not like german euro is gonna be suffering either, it still gets second biggest azimuth in the game.
I would rather it just get mk 0 or mk 2, but giving it AMK is not the move
Like I said, people are free to have their own opinions on the suggestion, I havent cast a vote myself.
Some people want the jets to be unique so I provided the AMK option, others want them to be balanced so I provided the replace radar option, and others just want german players to get screwed cuz they don’t like german player, so I gave them a voice too.
I would prefer that the new branch of EF-2000 get all equal radars and weaponary. So every nation get something new with maybe a working radar from now. Also they should remove pirate from the german ef-2000 like they did before. also the LWS should be unique, because that are small gimmicks.
So in the end, we have the same EF-2000 before, just all of them with a new AESA Radar for the christmas time
I thought that Italian did not bought the new aesa radar yet
There is unique, and there is the German Typhoon being a full BR higher than their direct Italian and British equivalents.
IRIS-T vs ASRAAM is a unique difference
Taurus vs Storm Shadow is a unique difference
Paveway IV vs GBU-54B should have been a unique difference
but AMK vs no-AMK is just too huge. Its practically an entirely seperate aircraft.
Gaijin wont add it asymetrically anyway
Mk1 and mk2 are still in Development
Cope about it
"Nach den Evaluierungen und Tests in der ersten Hälfte des Jahres 2025 planen Hensoldt und Indra die Serienproduktion des Mk1 Step 1 im Sommer 2025. Das ECRS Mk1 wird bei Airbus Defence and Space in Eurofighter Quadriga-Flugzeuge eingebaut. Die ersten Eurofighter Quadriga (Tranche 4) sollen nach dem 19. Rüstungsbericht des BMVg noch in diesem Jahr ausgeliefert werden. "
That means, they produced step 1 /phase 1 radars this year summer time for the T4 Models, which will delivered this year. Where is the cope? #googletranslator