The Eurofighter (AESA) balance problem and potential solutions to rectify it

I wouldnt say better, they are on par at the very least.

For BOLs, as I just said you guys get better version of the BOZ-101EC which is given to you guys because its the German TT.

As for PGMs, you have the exact same about of HOSBOs which are smaller, have no trail, and can be faster if you arent dumb and launch them right.

As for brimstones this is absolutely laughable, gaijin gave you them just because its the German TT, despite Germany never even touching them regarding Tornados.

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that’s a real point here
most of us want a good modeled EF-2000. We need hud fixes, FM fixes, BOL fixes and so on…
When we attack each other with this and that, it doesn’t bring us forwards.
When we still start acting like children, we will have a bad plane in the end.

What could also happen would be german mk1 radar is fine (because isn’t to overpowered) and the mk2 will be gaijined with “it’s a clear marketing lie” and then some EF-2000s in the game will be bad and some will be good.

We don’t know the real capabilites for the mk0, mk1 and mk2. that are just claims of the manufacture at all. for me it’s ok when all radar have different advantages but gaijin will no model it correctly, so thats why all AESA Radars should be the same like before. also that we get the mk2 that isn’t finished developed yet.

have a nice evening / night

Not exactly a great point considering the UK and Italy are getting a radar thats not only not in service, but wont be in service until 2030 or beyond.

Ignoring things that are inconvenient to your point isnt exactly a great way to debate something imo.

You’re free to have your own opinion on the subject, but at this point we’re both arguing a point neither of us will really agree on.

Yeah, obviously the best option for all involved (including the general game community balance-wise) is the German players not getting screwed on the radar, and in the future, the brits and italians not getting screwed on AMK, but I wanted to give everyone choices and something to discuss.

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Thank you for speaking about this

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Me yes, But I will puplish it only when the Message exchange has ended
(No clue when that will be the case, hopefully withhin the next week)

Gaijin standard seems to flip flop constantly.

I’m aware I’ve been saying this over and over but there’s really no other way to say it. The Dev’s standard lost it’s meaning and it all comes down to what they feel like at the end of the day

The Ah-64E is not a single version with modifications done. So far there is currently 5 versions of the 64E

  • V1 (originally named the 64D Block III): Taiwanese
  • V4: Indonesian
  • V4.5
  • V6: US, Britain, Dutch
  • V6.5

V6 is where JAGM integration fully began. V4.5 allowed V1s and V4s to be fully compatible with the JAGM. However neither the Taiwanese or Indonesian Apache has been upgraded to V4.5.

So unless the devs are going with this standard, I don’t see any other way V1 and V4s getting the JAGM:
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The weird part is if these two helis can get the JAGM, so can all Apache platforms. So can other helis like the AHS, Israeli ah-64,etc.

But apparently that cannot happen?

You can read my response here:


It just feels like the devs pick and chose when to go with compatibility, historical accuracy or balance.

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They aren’t technically compatible with the earlier ones most of the 64E export users have. And even on the newer ones, only US Army ones have any evidence of CIRCM integration

Just slap the same radar on all of them and be done with it. The idea that the 10 degrees extra FoV doesn’t matter is just as much an argument in favor of making it the same vs making it slightly worse.

There really isn’t any realism based argument to make. You don’t see people advocating for hard AoA limit, redoing lift/drag curves, etc that cause the plane to effectively be uncontested in maneuvers. AMK is a non-starter because every Eurofighter in the game already has the capabilities that AMK would provide.

And let’s be honest…most of y’all won’t be playing the Eurofighter after the first week that it drops because Rafale is still going to dog-walk it in every game mode.

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Eurofighter AMK

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If I really wanted to nitpick, the delta strakes are wrong :p

Standard EFT strakes (quasi-rectangular)

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AMK Strakes (trapezoidal)

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fixed

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I don’t even have a Eurofighter and this seems illogical and obviously unbalanced. They both have the same weaponry and flight model, etc. afaik…why is there a discrepancy with their radar’s?

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German Eurofighter (AESA) should be given ECRS Mk0 or ECRS Mk2

bruh I just checked in x-ray view, and all 3 Typhoon (AESA) have 200° x 200° search zone…what am I missing?

It’s a visual bug German one have 180x180 in the test flight

definitely gonna get fixed I imagine…otherwise…wtf lol

The X-ray view is lying. They call all 3 radars the same (CAPTOR-E) in the hangar but they arent the same, German one has lower FoR.

German EFT (AESA) in test flight

British EFT (AESA) in test flight

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Also yes, all Typhoon radars are named as UK radars (probably to keep them all close to each other in the files)

Keep the slightly worse radar but give the AMK kit to make up for it. Otherwise the German Eurofighter is once agained screwed with no good reason.

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Did a German Eurofighter ever carry an AESA with more than 180°? I assume the new one in game isn’t a specific “tranche” or upgrade, same as how the Gripen isn’t a specific MS upgrade…

No, it’s not an Airbus test frame. IPA7 (98+07) is a Bundeswehr aircraft, owned by the Bundeswehr and even use to be 30+44 before it was handed over to WTD 61. WTD 61 is a test unit that works with many companies, not just Airbus.