Mk0 and Mk2 is documented to have +/- 100 by its manufactorer
Mk1 is a development of Mk0 by a different company
That company for some reason documented the Mk1 having +/- 90, there is some speculation that it does have +/- 100 but with certain limitations in that final 10 degrees such as reduced power.
There is also limited evidence to suggest that Germany may have a few Mk0s in service.
Germany is also planning a multi-phase upgrade program where they will eventually upgrade their Mk1s to remove some of the limitations.
Germany is just super eager to get AESA up and running as soon as possible which is why they didnt want to wait for the Mk2
Its not “slightly different” its quite a major buff to ITR, AoA and roll rate. In a 1v1 dogfight vs Italian or RAF Typhoons, the German Typhoon would pretty much always win.
It would be akin to giving Gen 5 IIR or Meteor to only one of the 3 nations. It would be nuclear option for something which, imo, is being blown quite a bit out of proportion. 99% of the time, I doubt you would really notice the difference.
Like I said, its a bit like saying that Britain should get MMW Brimstone 2s to compensate for the fact we dont get GBU-48s
Sounds cool, and it looks cool, while everyone else gets a better radar. BVR combat is what dominates top tier, you rarely ever get into a 1v1. God forbid Germany get something uniquely cool for once.
Again, the AESA is the same 99% of the time. you can still sit in a full notch and still provide DL. Its not like the Mk1 is fixed and the Mk2 is gimballed.
But if you want to talk about uniqueness. I guess we should remove:
PIRATE
Aim-9M
Brimstones
Aim-120C5s
Paveway IVs
from the German Typhoons as those were all “uniquely” things fitted to British Typhoon.
God Forbid Britain got something uniquely cool for once.
For the love of god, and for the millionth time Hensoldt source is misleading, Airbus and Leonardo use FOR to present the values of the radar which is stated to be ±100°, Hensoldt use FOV (±90°) which shouldn’t be taken as the actual FOR of the radar.
Perhaps, difficult to know for certain. Unless you can find a source that actually confirms what Hensoldt was actually referring too, could just as easily be a Typo
You are not using Brimstones for air-to-air combat. Germany should get AMK because it is a unique feature of the German Eurofighters, and makes up for the worse radar performance.
Dude AMK is a German project only tested and use by Germany other nations don’t have it, for the armament that you are presenting they have aim 9 l/1i which is a 9m but whith smoke, they have aim 120 all types they have German EF with PIRATE, they use Brimstones 2 and 3, Germany have everything you mentioned, it’s not that we are stripping the uniqueness of British EF but we get those bc Germany actually use them, i have no problems in losing the 9m and the useless paveway that most of us don’t use any.
Morvan with all do respect, but you are taking nonsense now, there is a huge difference between an upgrade in flying performance that will only help you in dogfights in a BVR meta and an non stopable 25Km rnage IIR missile,don’t mix stuff up and try to mve away from the core argument
Aim-9Ms (it had Aim-9Li-1s but they arent smokeless so it got 9Ms for parity)
Aim-120C5s? (from what I could find they only used Bs and C8s and C8s arent in game yet)
Brimstones (Brimstone 3s are planned for delivery in a few years, but arent in service yet)
Paveway IVs.
etc etc
Your ENTIRE aargument is that Germany should get a MASSIVE FM buff to compensate for a minor radar performance difference so that it can be “unique” whilst simutaneously taking “unique” features from the other EFT operators because “well Typhoon is a Typhoon”.
It makes no sense.
Seriously. Like I keep saying, asking for AMK to compensate for the differences between Mk1 and Mk2 is like saying that Britain should get MMW Brimstone 2s to compensate for not getting GBU-48s. Which is an insane argument to make.
It’s not difficult any person with half the intelligence will know there is a mistake the Mk.1 is based on the Mk.0 it doesn’t make any sense that a literal update with more range and power and same mechanical movement will perform worse than thw weaker version.
Im sorry, how EXACTLY will Mk1 make the German Typhoon DOA in BVR combat?
It performs identically to the Mk2 and has Identical A2A missiles (which it never used IRL). The only exception is that the Italian and British Typhoons can see a bit better when sat in the notch than the German Typhoon can.
If the Mk1 was fixed facing forwards with no GImbal, I would 100% understand the complaint, but its not. The difference is so small that I doubt you would actually realistically notice. But to then claim you need a MAJOR buff like AMK to compensate for that difference is insane.
If Germany gets AMK, then the only “fair” thing to do would be to give Italy and Britain an equally large buff to compesnate, like Meteors for example.
To claim that “AMK is a little buff” is just being untruthful. Its a major improvement to ITR, AoA and Roll rate.
Yup, basically the German Eurofighter gets to stay uniquely worse so that everyone else gets to shit on the German EF for being left behind. How often do you get in a merge or a 1v1 situation in top tier. The fur ball ends in less than 5 minutes, and anyone rarely ever gets up close.
But no, no, you don’t get it. Germany can’t receive something domestic to make up for the worse radar performance, that’s unfair!
It’s not for the compensation anymore it’s what we deserve, we deserve an accurate German EF, Mk.1 can do the ±100° gaijin just don’t want to admit it, Germany have Brims 2 and 3 used 120s have other fancy things that will keeps us well fed, i am asking for the AMK bc developed and tested by German EF and pilots not British or Italian ones, i want the AMK bc after years Germany deserve something unique for it and for it self only antil others buy the equivalent, i want the AMK bc German mains deserve it, bc after mosre than a year suffering against F-16, F-14s, Gripens and other aircrafts on the same class while all we got is a damn F4F, we deserve something.
And if anyone is mad about this fact go and tell Italy and Britain to make better Eurofighters, it’s not our fault that Germany actually care about the things they develop.